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Post by TranquilPilot on Sept 18, 2019 4:18:50 GMT
hi all,
scenario: bowler breaks the stumps in his delivery stride but aborts and doesn’t release the ball.
my colleague (bowler’s end) signaled no ball and also gave a free hit. I think it is a dead ball because to call it a no ball the ball must have been delivered - per law 21.6.
what you guys think?
peace!
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Post by Acumen on Sept 19, 2019 10:56:56 GMT
I think you should remind him of the situation in which the bowler oversteps the Popping Crease but does not let go of the ball - I am sure he would have called Dead Ball in that case.
The Law is quite clear on both situations.
21.12 says that Umpire shall revoke call of No Ball if Dead Ball is called under 20.4.2.9 if the ball does not leave the bowler's hand.
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Post by TranquilPilot on Sept 20, 2019 5:39:50 GMT
I think you should remind him of the situation in which the bowler oversteps the Popping Crease but does not let go of the ball - I am sure he would have called Dead Ball in that case. The Law is quite clear on both situations. 21.12 says that Umpire shall revoke call of No Ball if Dead Ball is called under 20.4.2.9 if the ball does not leave the bowler's hand. Thank you! |
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Post by TranquilPilot on Sept 20, 2019 5:48:19 GMT
In a different game I was the non-striker end umpire and this happened - bowler was in his run up and non striker was backing up too far so the bowler stopped midway through his delivery stride, turned around and threw the ball at the stumps. But the ball missed the stumps and rolled away. Batsmen ran and completed one run.
I understand there is law to call it a dead ball “as soon as possible” cuz the bowler was unsuccessful in running the non striker out. But,
1. Does the run count?
2. Should the batsmen be returned back to their original ends?
Thanks and peace!
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Post by Acumen on Sept 23, 2019 14:54:23 GMT
Law 41.16 is not as explicit as its predecessor. 41.16.2 talks about the ball not being delivered. 41.16.3 talks about the ball being delivered. This seems to distinguish between the ball in hand breaking the wicket and the ball being thrown. In the latter case, it says that 21.6 (bowler breaking wicket) applies but does not include any Dead Ball provision. If the ball breaks the wicket, then it is a No Ball and it would appear that runs are allowed. If not does not break the wicket, then  ? |
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Post by TranquilPilot on Sept 23, 2019 17:03:31 GMT
Law 41.16 is not as explicit as its predecessor. 41.16.2 talks about the ball not being delivered. 41.16.3 talks about the ball being delivered. This seems to distinguish between the ball in hand breaking the wicket and the ball being thrown. In the latter case, it says that 21.6 (bowler breaking wicket) applies but does not include any Dead Ball provision. If the ball breaks the wicket, then it is a No Ball and it would appear that runs are allowed. If not does not break the wicket, then ? Thank you. IMO it will be safe to say that 41.16.3 is practically impossible when the ball is thrown at the stumps. I chose the word "practically" on purpose because this is cricket  So, I think the answer to our questions (as to what happens when ball misses the stumps) will somehow be "Law 20.4.2.11 Either umpire shall call and signal Dead ball when required to do so under any of the Laws not included above." I think so because 20.4.2.8 (the bowler drops the ball accidentally before delivery.) doesn't apply to our scenario. Law 20.4.2.9 (the ball does not leave the bowler’s hand ...) doesn't apply either. All this means we will have to apply Law 43 (Law of common sense) and: 1. Call it a dead ball (because ball was not delivered). 2. Tell the scorers not to count the run (because we cannot classify that run under any of the bullets of Law 18 - Scoring Runs). 3. And return the batsmen back to their original ends. It will be interesting to know if something like this has happened in club and/or first class level cricket. |
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Post by Acumen on Sept 26, 2019 9:38:18 GMT
I have sought further clarification.
41.16.3 is intended to cover the unlikely case where a bowler breaks the wicket, possibly accidentally, with ball in hand and then continues with his normal delivery - quite a difficult feat.
A throw at the wicket is not considered to be a delivery, hence 41.16.2 will apply with Dead Ball and no runs.
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Post by TranquilPilot on Sept 26, 2019 15:18:14 GMT
I have sought further clarification. 41.16.3 is intended to cover the unlikely case where a bowler breaks the wicket, possibly accidentally, with ball in hand and then continues with his normal delivery - quite a difficult feat. A throw at the wicket is not considered to be a delivery, hence 41.16.2 will apply with Dead Ball and no runs. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it |
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