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Post by nompere on Nov 20, 2014 9:33:23 GMT
The Umpires considers that there is deliberate short run taken and in process the striker is got OUT ( Run out ) while attempting a third run.
The Law says :
(ii) whether a batsman is dismissed or not, disallow all runs to the batting side from that delivery other than any runs awarded for penalties.
(iii) return the batsmen to their original ends
So in the above scenaro the new batsman will go to which end ? Strikers end or as the Run is attempted ( Although this will be disallowed) and a Batsman got OUT , provision of which ground belongs batsman will apply here ?
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Post by gooders on Nov 20, 2014 17:57:11 GMT
So, the law says one thing. Are you expecting us to tell you something different here then Ganesh? What would your decision be?
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Post by nompere on Nov 21, 2014 9:14:57 GMT
Runs are disallowed & law says the batsman should return to the original end , so the new batsman here should go the original i.e., strikers end here. I had a bit of doubt which I thought to clarify here as in some cases although there is disallowance of the runs , if a batsman gets out it would still depends on which ground belongs to him instead of returning back him to the original ends. Hence I thought to clarify it. Hope there is no second thought on this. Thanks.
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Post by sillypoint on Nov 23, 2014 23:35:45 GMT
Ganesh, it seems to me you are over-complicating things. This Law, 18.5, is all you would need to worry about in this instance. Part of your response to the deliberate short run is to "return the batsmen to their original ends" (18.5.a.iii). Another part says you "disallow all runs" and that this applies "whether a batsman is dismissed or not" (18.5.a.ii). Obviously if no runs are to be allowed then the batsmen have to go back to where they were when the ball was delivered; thus if one of them has been dismissed then his replacement, the incoming batsman, must go to the end of the batsman he is replacing.
If you need further clarification of this, then study the provisions of Law 18.11. Here you will see that "the batsmen SHALL return to their original ends" when there is "disallowance of runs FOR ANY REASON" (18.11.b.ii)—my emphasis.
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Post by gooders on Nov 24, 2014 10:43:58 GMT
That's all very well Sillypoint, but What if............ ??
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Post by nompere on Nov 26, 2014 11:43:32 GMT
Looks like I did over complicated things here.
The reason I got confused was I have compared above scenario with "Leg Byes Not to be Awarded" Law 26.3b.ii which says
(ii) before one run is completed or the ball reaches the boundary, a batsman is dismissed, or the ball becomes dead for any other reason, all the provisions of the Laws will apply, except that no runs and no penalties shall be credited to the batting side, other than the penalty for a No ball if applicable.
In this case there is a disallowance of the runs, but in case of dismissal of a batsman while attempting a run, the new Batsman is not required to go the end of the batsman he is replacing.
I think the point of fact is , in the above scenario law explicitly says " return the batsmen to their original ends" wherein in case of "leg byes not to be awarded" it’s doesn’t.
Thanks all for your views.
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