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Post by anotouter on Nov 19, 2007 16:06:51 GMT
Can anybody convince me that I am wrong in caring not a jot about the future of this whole shennanigans. The height of my ambition when I joined ACU&S about ten years ago was a 'qualified umpire' badge. I passed the written and oral examinations and set about keeping a log of my games. I realised quite quickly that I was never going to get the requisite 20 games per season in, as I also still like to play occasionally; I only umpire about 18 games a year. I mentioned this (separately) to three highly experienced local umpires, who all told me to just put down my league appointments, and then just make up a few to get the number up. The hitherto highly-attractive badge seemed to lose all it's shine. Then the ECB and ACUS agreed to submit to the nanny state's bureaucratic nightmare of CRB checks, which are expensive, intrusive and utterly ineffective. And now we are asked to vote ourselves out of existence. I continue to get asked to umpire on a regular basis, by people who know my opinions on the CRB nonsense, but don't care (they know me well enough, I have been a member of their club for more than twenty years), and I don't expect this to change in the foreseeable. Whichever way the ballot goes, it goes without me. Enjoy your cricket, but a plague on your self-important politicking.
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Post by Number 6 on Nov 21, 2007 13:28:01 GMT
I would have to ask you whether you have obtained CRB clearance? If you haven't then no club that allows under-18's to be a part of that club can allow you to officiate - it would be breaking the law to do so. It doesn't matter whether or not any under-18's actually take part in any game in which you officiate, only that club rules allow under-18's.
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Post by Acumen on Nov 23, 2007 8:54:17 GMT
(originally posted in wrong thread)
It is not against the Law but it is against ECB regulations to umpire in a game involving under 18's (and vulnerable adults).
Protection of Children Act 1999 makes it clear that it is not mandatory for organisations such as ECB.
The Act specifically refers to those who have prolonged, unsupervised, one-to-one contact with children etc (apologies I am quoting from memory but will check the exact reference over the weekend.
Nompere
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Post by Acumen on Nov 23, 2007 8:57:23 GMT
(originally posted elsewhere and moved by administrator)
Whilst it may not be mandatory for the ECB I'm pretty sure it is mandatory for any club or organisation that is open to membership by under 18's to only use officials (in any capacity) that have been CRB cleared.
That at least is what a solicitor friend of mine assures me.
Peter
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Post by nompere on Nov 23, 2007 9:06:23 GMT
Certainly any organisation such as a Youth Club (or an under-18 cricket team!) is required to comply with the Law, however where there is only occasional or incidental involvement with children or vulnerable adults there is no requirement for enhanced disclosure. Captains of under-19 teams would obviously fall within the more stringent requirements.
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Post by johnfgolding on Nov 25, 2007 14:04:19 GMT
I think this question must be put to the ACU&S & ECBOA for their ruling. That is what they are their for.
In my view this is too important to be discussed in this forum.
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