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Post by Mayur Wankhade Deshmukh on Apr 9, 2014 9:01:44 GMT
This is from my field experience. I was at striker's end.
Bowler while delivering the ball, breaks the wicket at his end with his bowling hand but after that he ended up dropping the ball accidentally before delivery.
What signals my colleague should have made?
No ball followed by dead ball OR only dead ball?
( It is in the jurisdiction of either umpire to call and signal those, though i have not signaled any thing but my colleague signaled only Dead ball and not the NO Ball )
Waiting for views on this incident.. Thanks
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Post by tippex2 on Apr 9, 2014 9:11:19 GMT
Dead ball only is correct. If he signals no-ball and dead ball without revoking the no-ball signal, then the scorers will have to record the no-ball and score the penalty. There's no point signalling no-ball just so you can revoke it.
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Post by Mayur Wankhade Deshmukh on Apr 9, 2014 9:33:35 GMT
Why you can not call No ball here, as per law ? And What is the reason to revoke it, if you call NO ball at all ?
What is the interpretation of
"law 24.10 Revoking a call of No ball
An umpire shall revoke his call of No ball if the ball does not leave the bowler’s hand for any reason."
In our case, ball did leave the bowlers hand. Leaving accidentally is not mentioned in the law.
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Post by tippex2 on Apr 9, 2014 10:11:12 GMT
To me, common sense, and Law 23.4(viii) suggest that this should be just a dead ball. Would you call no ball (and not revoke) if (for example) the back foot of the delivery stride came down across the return crease before the ball was dropped?
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Post by Mayur Wankhade Deshmukh on Apr 9, 2014 10:20:46 GMT
Agreed with your intentions. But don't you think that bowler contravened Law 24.6 before you apply Law 23.4(viii).
this will also get clear after the clear understanding of interpretation of Law 24.10
( what it consist of , "Ball does not leave the bowlers hand for any reason ?")
If accidental leaving the ball is considered as leaving the hand for the purpose of this law, then i would have called it as No Ball for contravention of law 24.6 followed by dead ball as per law 23.4(viii) and then would not have revoked as per law 24.10.
Folks, please let me know your understandings from the concerned laws.
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Post by Acumen on Apr 9, 2014 12:46:18 GMT
Tom Smith has explained in detail that the umpire must consider whether the ball has been properly delivered. If it is clear that his collision has affected his delivery, then the umpire should call Dead Ball immediately and the whole "delivery" is cancelled. If he has called "No Ball", then he does need to revoke it to ensure that the scorers know that it does not count. www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/laws-in-action/law-24-in-action/ supports this view. |
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Post by Mayur Wankhade Deshmukh on Apr 9, 2014 13:33:13 GMT
@acumen and tippex2 : thanks for your views. those make sense actually.
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