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Post by Acumen on May 20, 2013 15:17:40 GMT
Just had an interesting question, which made me think before giving an answer. What do you think?
The batting side have been given a formal warning for running down the centre of the pitch.
The Striker attempts a single and again runs down the middle. However he is Run Out at Bowler's End, whilst Non-Striker makes good his ground at Keeper's End.
The Umpire then calls Dead Ball and Signals Five Penalty Runs (adding insult to injury as the English saying goes!!)
The question is - Does the Non-Striker return to the Bowler's End under Law 42.14(b)(iii) or does he stay at Keeper's End under Law 18.12(a)(ii) apply?
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Post by gooders on May 20, 2013 17:22:45 GMT
A very interesting poser, Colin. Personally, I would be tempted to apply 42.14(b)(iii) since the ball is not dead until the dismissal, by which time the Striker is out. The Non-Striker, I feel, should be returned to his original (Bowler's) end.
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Post by tons4fun on May 23, 2013 9:07:53 GMT
I like this one too - had me reaching for the laws!
Naturally you would start with the run out dismissal as the running down the pitch is dealt with after the ball has become dead. So the dismissal will stand. Given no further problems law 18.12(a)(ii) would apply but with the running down the pitch then Law 42.14(b)(iii) comes into play and I agree with Gooders that the Non-Striker, should be returned to his original (Bowler's) end.
This could then be extended to that the batsmen had completed: a) 1 run and a run out occurred before the batsmen crossed on their attempted second run b) 1 run and a run out occurred after batsmen crossed on their attempted second run and non-striker makes his ground at the bowlers end
With a) under 42.14(b)(i) the completed run would be disallowed and 42.14(b)(iii) that the Non-Striker, should be returned to his original (Bowler's) end.
With b) under 42.14(b)(i) the completed run would be disallowed and the Non-Striker, would remain at the (Bowler's) end.
PS don't forget: * 42.14(b)(ii) 5 penalty runs to be awarded to the fielding side and also * 42.14(b)(iv) informing the fielding captain and as soon as practicable the batting captain and * 42.14(c) the reporting.
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Post by sillypoint on May 26, 2013 8:36:13 GMT
There is no question i my mind: 42.14 overrides 18.12 in this circumstance, as follows: (1) Law 42.14 is not intended to interfere with the course of play, as it clearly states that the umpires act only "when the ball is dead" (42.14.a) (2) In this instance the ball becomes dead when the batsman is dismissed Run Out (3) As the provisions of this Law are applied AFTER anything that takes place in the course of play, it must logically override any conflicting matter that has previously arisen, in this instance deciding which end the non-striker goes to (4) The non striker "returning to the wicket he has left" is consistent with the provisions of Law 18.12.b.ii Good question though!
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Post by Mayur Wankhade Deshmukh on Jul 12, 2013 12:07:15 GMT
@colin
If i am not wrong Colin, I remember that , myself only asked this question to you on allexperts forum. I was studying these two laws with respect to each other and was trying to understand intentions of law maker of using "when the ball is dead" words in Law 42. "The penalties in the law 42.14 will override any other laws", is may be one of the intentions. I agree with sillypoint's views.
Thanks, Mayur Wankhade.
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