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Post by Acumen on Aug 30, 2012 10:06:20 GMT
I have just received the following question - I have given my answer but wonder what others would do.
"A batsman drives the ball towards long on for a single and completes the run when the long on fielder picks the ball and throws it towards the keepers end.
"At this particular time the keeper was not covering the stumps nor his intentions were to run out the batsman and also the batsman who arrived at the strikers end was taking the stands when the ball directly hits the strikers stumps thrown by the long on fielder.
"Can the batsman run an overthrow after the ball hitting the stumps or the ball has already become dead as the keeper was not covering the ball and the batsman was getting ready to face the next ball?"
How would you interpret this in the light of Law 23.1(b)?
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Post by tippexii on Aug 30, 2012 21:49:01 GMT
Difficult to answer this type of question without having been there and seen it first hand. My initial reaction is that the ball would be in play - I suspect that if the batsman had been out of his ground when the throw it the stumps, the fielding side would have appealed...
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Post by gooders on Aug 30, 2012 22:23:55 GMT
Just a couple of questions, where were the batsmen when the throw was made? and had the batsman made good his ground before the ball hit the wicket? It's all very well to say they completed their run, but that doesn't necessarily mean he had made good his ground, he only needs to do that if he is turning for a second run for it not to be called short.
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Post by jaybee on Aug 31, 2012 7:23:45 GMT
Turning to the original post I think we're all puzzled by the question of where the batsman was and what he was doing. I think the clue is in interpreting: ... "... also the batsman who arrived at the strikers end was taking the stands ...." Could it be that Acumen's correspondent means "taking his stance" i.e. taking guard? That could mean he was either in or out of his ground at the time of the incident. In that case there is a possibility that the ball might be regarded as dead under Law23.1(b) "The ball shall be considered to be dead when it is clear to the bowler’s end umpire that the fielding side and both batsmen at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play." From what was said about the keeper I would guess that 23.1(b) could apply - but of course that depends on all the circumstances at the time. |
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Post by mrsinghIndia on Sept 13, 2012 7:02:34 GMT
Am inclined to agree with Jaybee on the issue. The batsman's action of '...taking his stance...' could well support a belief that both sides have come to regard the ball as dead, thus allowing the umpire to 'consider' the ball as dead.
But, again, how can a ball in the outfield, being thrown in, be considered as dead? Consider this scenario - the ball is thrown in (the batsman is outside his ground) and while it is on its way, the batsman makes good his ground and puts his head down to scrape his bat through his guard marking (taking guard?). The ball strikes the stumps and the batsmen run through for an overthrow. I would allow the overthrow, I think. Or give the batsman out if he is outside when the ball strikes the stumps and there is an appeal.
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Post by srinivasan on Sept 15, 2012 17:12:54 GMT
Adding to Mr. Singh's scenario is another one...
a fielder in the outfield fields the ball while the batsman complete a run and are in their grounds...
the fielder throws the ball back to the wicket keeper after a few juggles (some bowlers are used to doing such things when they field the ball) and the keeper misses it and the batsman take a run for over throw.
Is the ball dead when the fielder throws the ball? Not really as the batsmen were waiting to see the throw from the fielder..So what happens in this case? When does the ball become dead?
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