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Post by gooders on May 4, 2010 16:37:10 GMT
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Post by missingleg on May 5, 2010 10:01:15 GMT
I like the suggestion of making the light a matter for the umpires alone to decide when it's dangerous. More cricket will be played without the 'level 2' condition and players go off just because they're losing rather than how they feel the conditions are.
I'm not sure it's necessary to have one or both umpires there to supervise the toss - if the captains can't agree with what side the coin has landed then we're in an absurd situation. Also, as there is no such thing as a senior umpire why would they advocate just one umpire standing at the toss?
Keeping a batsman from being run-out if his momentum, after making his ground, takes him into mid-air is a good suggestion.
I don't like the idea of having just one warning for batsmen running on the pitch. It's fair as it is, and the penalty system is progressive.
Those are my initial thoughts.
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Post by Acumen on May 5, 2010 11:01:14 GMT
It is a pity that grass roots umpires were not consulted widely if at all.
The idea of having the toss supervised was introduced in our league a little while ago and we have found it beneficial as it does make a formal opportunity for the umpires to meet the captains rather than a, sometimes, slap dash, conference. There is rarely anything to discuss as our league lays down most of the optional playing conditions.
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Post by missingleg on May 5, 2010 11:45:55 GMT
Surely the umpires and captains on the day can be sesible enough to decide where to meet and how formal a meeting is necessary? Just because it's not currently in the laws, doesn't mean umpires can't 'supervise' the toss. Sometimes a slap dash conference is appropriate and enough. As you say, the league rules set out virtually everything anyway.
This is an unnecessary proposed law in my view.
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Post by gooders on May 5, 2010 12:47:45 GMT
Surely the umpires and captains on the day can be sesible enough to decide where to meet and how formal a meeting is necessary? Just because it's not currently in the laws, doesn't mean umpires can't 'supervise' the toss. Sometimes a slap dash conference is appropriate and enough. As you say, the league rules set out virtually everything anyway. This is an unnecessary proposed law in my view. It is already there in the premier league Adam, and has been for one season already. It's something you get used to very quickly. John
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Post by missingleg on May 5, 2010 14:40:35 GMT
Fair enough, John. If that's what they want then that's what I'll do. What do you say out there that you don't say in your pre-match introduction? Did this league rule come about because a captain disputed the result of the toss, so we have to supervise it? Do you do it on the pitch or do you do it just inside the boundary on the field of play?
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Post by Number 6 on May 5, 2010 20:55:40 GMT
My league introduced toss supervision this season, it's mooted as a good way to get the captains to meet the umpires and discuss things. I think it's nonsense personally.
Taking control of what to do in less than optimal light is a good thing. Offering light to the batsmen only has always been very unfair all round.
I do not like the proposed change to the batsman's ground. The batsman should be grounded behind the crease at all times whilst the ball is in play. Otherwise one could argue for a similar rule in stumping situations. Imagine the situation where the batsman kneels down to sweep, he misses and his toe momentarily leaves the ground behind the crease and the keeper takes the bails off; it's not a dissimilar scenario, the batsman never left his ground in the same sense that the "airborne" batsman makes his ground whilst running. It introduces inconsistency to the laws which is always a bad thing.
I dislike the broken bat amendment. That's a bit harsh and not the same at all as the bat coming out of the hand or some article of clothing falling off.
The other proposed changes are all fine with me.
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Post by wisden17 on May 6, 2010 3:43:52 GMT
The change to Law 29 is worded such that your suggesting Number 6 wouldn't really apply. Also it's worth noting the reason for the change is due to situation when decisions are being referred to the 3rd umpire and this can be seen, in reality this change will have little impact for us. Anyway Law 29 will have this added:
if a running batsman, having grounded some part of his foot behind the popping crease, continues running further towards the wicket at that end and beyond, then any subsequent total loss of contact with the ground of both his person and his bat during his continuing forward momentum shall not be interpreted as being out of his ground
What you might not all realise is that a lot of other changes will be taking place to the laws as well, in order to tidy them up a bit. In that sense they are literally hundreds of changes taking place, although to be honest if they weren't highlighted I wouldn't spot most of those minor ones. It's mainly sections being re-written in slightly clearer English, or better cross-referencing between the laws, or even simply more consistency in their style of drafting.
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Post by gooders on May 6, 2010 9:07:17 GMT
Fair enough, John. If that's what they want then that's what I'll do. What do you say out there that you don't say in your pre-match introduction? Did this league rule come about because a captain disputed the result of the toss, so we have to supervise it? Do you do it on the pitch or do you do it just inside the boundary on the field of play? It's actually an E.C.B. requirement Adam, though up to this year only in ECB Premier Leagues. Wisden 17, I wqs under the impression that that was exactly what the 2000 Code was meant to do.
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Post by johnfgolding on May 6, 2010 15:58:22 GMT
Fair enough, John. If that's what they want then that's what I'll do. What do you say out there that you don't say in your pre-match introduction? Did this league rule come about because a captain disputed the result of the toss, so we have to supervise it? Do you do it on the pitch or do you do it just inside the boundary on the field of play? It's actually an E.C.B. requirement Adam, though up to this year only in ECB Premier Leagues. Wisden 17, I wqs under the impression that that was exactly what the 2000 Code was meant to do. What I would say that in Berkshire we adopted pre-match meetings in many of our leagues & competitions last year. It cut down problems experienced in matches enormously. It needs to be carried out with care and there is training on it in the latest Level 2 courses. I firmly believe in it and have adopted it in every match that I stand in and to date never had a colleague that failed to agree to take part. The Berks OCA have produced prompt cards to act as reminders. As I said there is a page in the Level 2 course book, so maybre that is the first place to look.
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Post by bajnaj on Jun 3, 2010 8:02:30 GMT
Is there some one who can share level 2 course material?
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Post by jaybee on Jun 7, 2010 9:48:31 GMT
If adopted they become part of the new 2010 Code. Well worth having a look at. The changes were passed and full details plus an explanatory pdf are at this page
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Post by goforit on Jun 16, 2010 20:15:54 GMT
It was suggested to me the other day that Law 42 had or was to be changed so that a high full pitch ball would be a no ball irrespective of speed if it was above waist high. Above shoulder high for slow bowlers was or would be no more. I have not been able to find anything to support this suggestion. If it is correct I'm sure one of you will know.
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Post by wisden17 on Jun 16, 2010 23:30:50 GMT
No truth in that goforit.
The only changes to Laws 42.6 and 42.7 (which deal with beamers) are very minor ones aimed at tidying up the laws (so for example, 'umpire at the bowler's end' is going to change to 'bowler's end umpire).
What it may be is that the league or something like that is planning on changing their regulations to what you suggest. I know that most of the leagues I umpire in they have this special regulation.
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Post by wisden17 on Jun 21, 2010 3:29:08 GMT
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