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Post by missingleg on Jun 7, 2009 15:32:46 GMT
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Post by swerveman on Jun 7, 2009 20:34:38 GMT
It looks to me as though the ball was dead before the pigeon, so they only get the run already completed. See Law 23.1(b).
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Post by tippexii on Jun 8, 2009 21:34:12 GMT
Law 43 would seem to me to be the applicable one - this wasn't a dog picking up a ball that was on the way to the boundary.
Clearly they'd only have got 1 without the intervention of the bird, so common sense suggests that that should be the outcome.
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Post by missingleg on Jun 13, 2009 21:54:34 GMT
What if it hit the pigeon and the batsmen kept running?
Another quick one:
I did an under 11s match for my club on Friday. We used the artificial pitch which is slightly lowered from the rest of the plaing field. A bowler bowled an awful ball which was so wide that it hit the very edge of the pitch - at such an angle that it bounced back in towards the batsman who had long since decided to let it go...it almost bowled him (I swear I'm not making this up)! I think I made an error with what I did, but at the same time I don't think the laws covers this!
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Post by johnfgolding on Jun 14, 2009 7:30:03 GMT
I did an under 11s match for my club on Friday. We used the artificial pitch which is slightly lowered from the rest of the plaing field. A bowler bowled an awful ball which was so wide that it hit the very edge of the pitch - at such an angle that it bounced back in towards the batsman who had long since decided to let it go...it almost bowled him (I swear I'm not making this up)! I think I made an error with what I did, but at the same time I don't think the laws covers this! What did you do? Did you do / discuss anything in the pre match meeting with the Captains or in this case Managers?
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Post by missingleg on Jun 14, 2009 10:01:48 GMT
Well I happen to be the manager of the team too!
I decided to call it wide because that's where the ball would have gone. I didn't want to reward the bowler for that delivery by letting it be a dot ball, nor did I want to advantage the batsman by having it bowled again. Nobody complained.
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Post by lofters on Jun 15, 2009 14:07:27 GMT
If it bounced more than twice, or rolled along the pitch before the line of the popping crease, then itd be a No Ball under Law 24.6. Otherwise I think you made a fair, practical decision to call it Wide.
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Post by wisden17 on Jun 15, 2009 15:32:19 GMT
Ideally something you'd mention before the start, personally I think dead ball is best call when it happens.
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Post by missingleg on Jun 17, 2009 18:19:16 GMT
But if it's dead ball then you're letting the bowler off for a delivery that would have been wide (probably 5 wides!)
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Post by wisden17 on Jun 17, 2009 18:45:26 GMT
Yes, I understand the point, however you can't call wide to a delivery that isn't wide at the moment it passes the batsman.
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Post by missingleg on Jun 17, 2009 19:08:33 GMT
Perhaps I made a mistake, but it still seems the fairest decision to have made. Since the Laws don't cover this, I won't say I was wrong - it's open to interpretation. Similarly, you can't call dead ball if the dead ball law doesn't cover this instance. Perhaps no-ball would also be justified?
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Post by wisden17 on Jun 17, 2009 20:12:23 GMT
In a few leagues I umpire on where artificial pitches are used they have a special regulation along the lines of 'Dead ball will be signaled if, in the opinion of the umpire, the ball has deviated off the edge of an artificial pitch edge or similar cause.'
I'd say, if you are going to call no-ball or wide, probably better to go with no-ball, as you can call it when the ball pitches, and it also stops a player from being bowled from such a delivery.
Something worth mentioning pre-match to captains (or in your case, with an U11s game to the managers), that if it does pitch on the edge like that you'll call it a Dead Ball/No Ball.
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Post by missingleg on Jun 26, 2009 10:23:05 GMT
If a batsman deliberately runs short but a boundary is scored off the delivery anyway, should you enforce the dead-ball and warning procedure for deliberate short running?
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Post by swerveman on Jun 26, 2009 22:16:20 GMT
Yes. See Tom Smith's.
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