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Post by swerveman on Sept 25, 2006 20:45:03 GMT
My League Panel runs an assessment scheme, whereby each participating umpire presents his assigned team captain with a stamped, addressed card. The captain is supposed to liaise with his opposite number after the game and mark the umpire out of ten.
I just received feedback from the scheme coordinator, which shows that only five cards with my name were received, although I issued a total of 14. Nine captains apparently couldn't be bothered to mark and post the card.
Is this normal? Does anyone have a similar experience? A better one?
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Post by johnfgolding on Sept 26, 2006 7:36:05 GMT
My league requires both captains to mark both umpires when they complete the match report.
We are marked from 0 (for unacceptable and this requires a seperate report) to 5.
So in this case marks are always given.
What is interesting is how the marks are awarded. In most cases quite fairly and they wait until after they have showered etc to get the emotion out of their systems.
Some even discuss it with the umpires.
Some just enter 3 as they cannot be bothered.
I have had one case where the winning captain awarded a 4 and a 5. The loosing captain gave both umpires 1. (he also complained about the wicket, which must rank as one of the best in the country outside of the first class grounds!!!!!!)
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Post by fatpunter on Sept 26, 2006 19:38:40 GMT
Not wishing to be pedantic but surely the losing captain was complaining about the state of the "pitch". The "wicket" is the bits of wood at the end.
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Post by umpire50 on Oct 30, 2006 15:47:00 GMT
It seems that any scheme whereby umpires are assessed by the two captains will be problematical - to say the least. Apart from the fact that their knowledge of the Laws is likely to be poorer than either of the two umpires, johnfgolding has highlighted a problem that seems to recur everywhere. Winning captains often mark higher; losing captains mark lower.
In the premier league in which I stand, there is a Joint Captains Report required to be completed by both captains after the game. This report requires markings from 1 to 10 to be given under about 15 separate headings - including decisions. Several umpires have been marked 0/10 for stumping decisions when they have not had one appeal to answer in the entire match!
The Umpires Panel offer each year to have a meeting with the captains at the start of every season to discuss any problem areas. Not once has that invitation been taken up.
Captains assesing umpires is far from ideal - but have others got any better solutions?
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Post by johnfgolding on Oct 31, 2006 12:48:05 GMT
There are many different schemes in operation. Some leagues take the issue more seriously than others.
In my view benifit offered should be to aid the continuing development of the umpire.
To take up an earlier comment, yes I know I meant the pitch, but the captain complained about the "wicket".
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Post by swerveman on Nov 9, 2006 12:26:19 GMT
Just to follow up on my comments, the matter was discussed at the League Committee meeting. Here's the relevant minute:
That should concentrate the mind quite well!
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Post by ashwinisawal on Jan 18, 2007 8:07:34 GMT
There is problem in the assesment scheme where two captains (or in some cases officials of two teams) have to assess the umpires. Till recently it use to happen in India in all first class Ranji Trophy matches. As an state panel umpire for a first class team, I have meet many so-called senior players from my state team who have played great number of first class matches, who does not have great knowledge of the Laws of Cricket. (Including a captain who does not know that when ball is piched ourside the line of leg stump LBW is not awarded).
The system did not work in India and we can very clearly see that for a long period of time India have no representation on the Elite Panel Umpires of ICC. It has changed now and the match referee had been given the added responsibility to report on Umpires as well. We hope this would trun out to be a better system and we can produce better umpires by this system.
Personally, I think there should be a seperate panel of experts to access umpires (especially the first class umpires)
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Post by lofters on Feb 8, 2007 15:30:40 GMT
The League in which I stand incorporates an ECB Premier division, and has used Captains Reports to assess Umpires over several seasons. It is apparent that due to lack of numbers, the alternative of 'boundaryline observers' will not work.
I agree with previous posters that 'Captains opinion' is far from satisfactory, but as the ECB demand that a system be in place, this is the best at the moment.
With regard to those Captains who mark low every week [usually relegation threatened teams] with no constructive/useful criticism appended to the assessment card....... in my opinion the best place to file the card would be in the wastebin.
As a point of interest re the fines for nonproduction by a specified day following the match..... last season one Premier team captain failed to submit cards for 16 of the 22 League games, despite constant reminders throughout the Summer.... I'm sure his Club Treasurer was not impressed with the Fines Bill from the League Management!
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Post by johnfgolding on Feb 9, 2007 9:34:21 GMT
It is obvious that this is an issue with no ideal solution.
Observations from the boundary can only be of limited use as they are so far away from the action. They will enable the umpires overall field craft and man management to be observered.
I do know that some leagues offer mentoring systems where by umpires are teamed up for the season in small groups.
That works well.
Off course any assement system is as good as the information it received and, more importantly, what is done with it.
How many umpires are informed of their "ratings"? Then councilled on how to improve?
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Post by lofters on Feb 9, 2007 14:23:53 GMT
Point taken re observers distance from the middle..... experienced, respected ex-umpires are the answer [yes I know they don't grow on trees!]; lads who can read the game, empathise with players and umpires, and be willing/able to speak to captains/umpires after the game.
In the last two seasons I have stood with umpires from the Notts Premier area who confirmed that they are fortunate to have a small band of such worthies. Constructive feedback to panel members follows.
In Cheshire, the weekly marks are compiled through the season by a retired umpire elected onto the County League Umpires Association executive. All umpires are entitled to see their record, ....they are provided on request. Most members do this at seasons end I understand, tho a goodly number choose to excercise their option and remain 'in the dark'.
The overall ratings are kept in house by the Umpires Association, but they are used in the annual Panel review whence the forthcoming seasons Premier League umpires are determined.
Councilling locally is very much in its infancy, I think a clearer picture will be evident after season 2007
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Post by gooders on Mar 26, 2007 12:43:28 GMT
In Derbyshire, umpires are marked by both captains, on different points out of 6. After the end of the season, the umpires secretary then (though I suspect he does a lot of work on it throughout the season) is able to inform all the umpires of their average mark, and any section needing input is identified and worked on. If anything comes to light during the season, then it will be addressed at the time, and in general the umpires on our panel are usually very well respected by teams and players alike.
I can hardly wait to be out there again in a few weeks time.
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Post by johnfgolding on Mar 30, 2007 10:28:29 GMT
I agree the season is fast approaching, we are all getting our kit and our thoughts togther. I discussed earlier the scheme my league has, which sounds very similar to yours for accessing the Umpire. Although no scheme can be perfect, something is better than nothing, providing it is used for our development. I would like to see it coupled with a mentoring scheme and some boundary assessments. I know this is labour intensive and it is difficult to get enough umpires to stand yet be used for assessments. But I can dream. My league requires both captains to mark both umpires when they complete the match report. We are marked from 0 (for unacceptable and this requires a seperate report) to 5. So in this case marks are always given. What is interesting is how the marks are awarded. In most cases quite fairly and they wait until after they have showered etc to get the emotion out of their systems. Some even discuss it with the umpires. Some just enter 3 as they cannot be bothered. I have had one case where the winning captain awarded a 4 and a 5. The loosing captain gave both umpires 1. (he also complained about the wicket, which must rank as one of the best in the country outside of the first class grounds!!!!!!) |
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