filbell
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Post by filbell on Jul 4, 2008 11:37:30 GMT
I live and umpire in Cyprus and here we use all weather wickets and a long grass outfield.
A couple of times the recently the ball has pitched once of the matting all together and then veered over middle stump and on the second occasion pitched off the matting but on the concrete base only for the batsman to get an edge and to be caught behind!
There are no local rules to cover this at present but at the next AGM will put forward something to cover this.
What to do in the meantime and do any other leagues have rules to cover this problem?
I have thought of a number of ways to deal with it.
1. Call wide ball as the bowler has sent it on the wrong course to start with - but then if he has hit it or being bowled not a wide in the normal sense.
2. Call no ball - but the bowler has not transgressed in his bowling of the ball.
3. Call dead ball - and start again.
4. Tell the batsman hard luck.
5. Explain to the captain of the fielding side that giving the batsman out is not in the spirit of cricket and get the bowler to bowl straight.
Had anyone else had this problem and what are the considered views please?
Phil BELL
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Post by blackbeard on Jul 4, 2008 12:54:26 GMT
I live and umpire in Cyprus and here we use all weather wickets and a long grass outfield. A couple of times the recently the ball has pitched once of the matting all together and then veered over middle stump and on the second occasion pitched off the matting but on the concrete base only for the batsman to get an edge and to be caught behind! There are no local rules to cover this at present but at the next AGM will put forward something to cover this. What to do in the meantime and do any other leagues have rules to cover this problem? I have thought of a number of ways to deal with it. 1. Call wide ball as the bowler has sent it on the wrong course to start with - but then if he has hit it or being bowled not a wide in the normal sense. 2. Call no ball - but the bowler has not transgressed in his bowling of the ball. 3. Call dead ball - and start again. 4. Tell the batsman hard luck. 5. Explain to the captain of the fielding side that giving the batsman out is not in the spirit of cricket and get the bowler to bowl straight. Had anyone else had this problem and what are the considered views please? Phil BELL On artificial pitches or indoor pitches if the ball does not pitch on the mat/artificial pitch, then NO BALL is called. This is what happens in the SE of UK. But you can have your own regs on this. But what ever you decide the ball must pitch on the playing area. |
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Post by swerveman on Jul 4, 2008 13:34:38 GMT
I'm sure this problem was covered on the old ACUS website, but I can't remember the advice!
Blackbeard's solution seems to me to be very sensible.
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Post by fatpunter on Jul 6, 2008 18:22:44 GMT
Being pedantic, all wickets are all weather as they are made from wood, it is the pitches that can be of grass or synthetic materials. If we can't get the basics right......
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Post by missingleg on Jul 6, 2008 20:36:29 GMT
A wicket can mean may things in cricket. It can mean the stumps (and bails); the pitch; when a batsman gets out and a partnership.
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Post by fatpunter on Jul 8, 2008 10:45:14 GMT
Mr Missingleg, the pitch is always a pitch. It has never been a wicket. Check the laws of the game.
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Post by TrueDub on Jul 8, 2008 13:00:48 GMT
I live and umpire in Cyprus and here we use all weather wickets and a long grass outfield. A couple of times the recently the ball has pitched once of the matting all together and then veered over middle stump and on the second occasion pitched off the matting but on the concrete base only for the batsman to get an edge and to be caught behind! There are no local rules to cover this at present but at the next AGM will put forward something to cover this. What to do in the meantime? Although we do umpire occasionally on artificial pitches, there's nothing in our regulations to cover incidents like this. In the absence of such regulations, I think all you can do is fall back onto the laws of cricket. Developing an ad-hoc approach is not a good idea, as it introduces immense scope for inconsistencies and arguments. I'd suggest putting the effort in framing & agreeing a comprehensive regulation to cover the area for next season. |
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Post by blackbeard on Jul 8, 2008 14:06:49 GMT
I live and umpire in Cyprus and here we use all weather wickets and a long grass outfield. A couple of times the recently the ball has pitched once of the matting all together and then veered over middle stump and on the second occasion pitched off the matting but on the concrete base only for the batsman to get an edge and to be caught behind! There are no local rules to cover this at present but at the next AGM will put forward something to cover this. What to do in the meantime? Although we do umpire occasionally on artificial pitches, there's nothing in our regulations to cover incidents like this. In the absence of such regulations, I think all you can do is fall back onto the laws of cricket. Developing an ad-hoc approach is not a good idea, as it introduces immense scope for inconsistencies and arguments. I'd suggest putting the effort in framing & agreeing a comprehensive regulation to cover the area for next season. I beg to differ. If the ball does not pitch on the playing surface then that delivery under Law 43 must be illegal, and nobody can be given out, as the ball must either be called dead or a No ball? As the laws of cricket tell us that anything not covered in the laws that is unfair the umpire should intervene? |
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Post by TrueDub on Jul 8, 2008 15:29:24 GMT
I beg to differ. If the ball does not pitch on the playing surface then that delivery under Law 43 must be illegal, and nobody can be given out, as the ball must either be called dead or a No ball? As the laws of cricket tell us that anything not covered in the laws that is unfair the umpire should intervene? Fair enough - it's a matter of interpretation. I just gave my opinion on how I'd handle it. |
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Post by Acumen on Jul 8, 2008 16:48:29 GMT
Does anyone have copies or access to the ACU&S Website before February 2006 ? There does not seem to have been any law discussion since then.
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Post by missingleg on Jul 8, 2008 18:35:24 GMT
Well fatpunter I'm not about to get into an argument over something so trivial. I know it's a 'pitch' officially. Believe it or not I have read the Laws. It is also known as a wicket, especially in other nations.
We'll leave it at that!
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Post by fatpunter on Sept 5, 2010 12:42:20 GMT
"it may also be known as a wicket" simply shows the level of ignorance we have here.
Some broadcasters regularly, and incorrectly, call the pitch "the wicket".
The pitch is always a pitch, it never has been a wicket and hopefully never will be. The wicket are the wooden bits at either end of the pitch.
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Post by missingleg on Sept 5, 2010 22:54:06 GMT
Goodness me that was 2 years ago and I can't believe how thin-skinned I was with that little outburst!
I always call the pitch the pitch because I know that's what it is, but I accept it's often called a wicket as a sort of slang, even though I don't like it. I think we all know what the wicket really is.
My comment that 'it is (not may) also KNOWN as a wicket' still stands though because it's widely used, albeit unofficially and incorrectly. I don't think it's ignorant to point out the usage of language and I am on your side - honest! :-)
To summerise - it is also known as a wicket...but it shouldn't be!
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Post by wisden17 on Sept 5, 2010 23:10:55 GMT
Just an interesting point to add to this.
I was in the MCC Library earlier in the year and reading some of the minutes from the 1920s relating to the laws sub-committee, there was a proposal to allow the term wicket in the laws to refer to the pitch, but obviously didn't get passed. I did think it interesting to see that serious thought was given to it though.
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