How many byes?

[fatcricketerslim]

Hi all,

How many byes are scored in the following situations

1/ The bowler bowls the ball which goes through the batsman & wicket keeper without any contact to the boundary.  Before the ball crosses the boundary the batsman complete 2 runs?

2/ The bowler bowls the ball which goes through the batsman & wicket keeper without any contact and the ball does not reach  the boundary.  The batsmen complete 5 runs before stopping when the ball is thrown to the wicket keeper.

3/ The bowler bowls the ball which goes through the batsman & wicket keeper without any contact and the ball does not reach the boundary.  The fielder throws the ball in but it eventually goes over the boundary.  Before the ball crosses the boundary the batsmen complete 3 runs.

I assume the same would be true for leg byes?

Cheers
 

[budster]

1 4 byes

2 5 byes

3 more information required in order to answer the question ( position of the batsmen at the instance of the throw)

More information would be needed to determine the situation with Leg byes ( what was the batsman doing - attempting to play the ball?, leaving the ball alone? taking evasive action?

[fatcricketerslim]

Thank you for confirming my thoughts about items 1 & 2. With item 3 I thought the answer would 7. Is the number of bye runs before the the ball is thrown or when it goes over the boundary that matters?

For the leg byes I meant that the batsman attempted to play a shot but the ball hit his pads and went for leg byes.

[Acumen]

The number of runs scored in any situation is basically the same whether they have been hit by the bat or not. The only exception is "disallowed" leg byes when no runs are scored.

The only difference is how they are recorded - byes, leg byes or runs to Striker.

No Balls are now scored as a 1 run penalty NOT creditted to the striker.

If the ball goes to the boundary, then 4 (or 6 if struck) are counted unless
(a) the batsmen have completed more than 4 (or 6 almost impossible?)
(b) the batsmen have completed enough runs to win the match
(c) there are overthrows.

In the case of overthrows, it is critical for the umpire at the Striker's End to notice the position of the batsmen when the ball is thrown (also important if the fielder is making a catch). The boundary 4 will count PLUS the number of runs completed PLUS the run in progress ONLY if they have crossed.

These guidelines apply to byes and leg byes as well as hits!

In the case of a Wide, the runs are counted in the same way but recorded, together with the 1 run penalty, as Wides.

[fatcricketerslim]

Thank you

[jaybee]

Leg byes: There's also a twist relating to runs where the ball strikes the batsman's person when he doesn't attempt to play a shot and the ball then hits the bat. Under Law 23.2.1 any runs are disallowed:

If a ball delivered by the bowler first strikes the person of the striker, runs shall be scored only if the umpire is satisfied that the striker has either attempted to play the ball with the bat or tried to avoid being hit by the ball.[My emphasis]

[sillypoint]

I take up just one thing in Colin's otherwise excellent and comprehensive reply: "it is critical for the umpire at the Striker's End to notice the position of the batsmen when the ball is thrown"

I regard it as incumbent on BOTH umpires to be monitoring the positions of both batters whenever the ball is in the field.You cannot tell in advance when an overthrow may occur, and if it is part of your standard practice to note the moment the batters cross on each run, then you will be in a position to know whether this has occurred before or after a throw to the wicket. So when the ball is in the field you should be constantly noting where the ball is, when the batters cross, when a batter touches down at your end, any potential for contact between batter and fielder, when the ball is about to be picked up, when it is thrown, whether there is any chance of a boundary being scored. If both umpires are monitoring all of this all of the time, then they will readily sort out any issues that may arise, and get their decisions more correct more of the time.