gully
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Post by gully on Jun 30, 2014 9:10:31 GMT
A quick question a recent game when I was a the bowlers end, I turned down or was in the process of turning down an appeal for a catch behind ( I had to take a few secs or probably less than that to consider) the wicket keeper spotted the batsman out of his ground whilst I was considering ,threw down the stumps from about a yard and appealed for a stumping duly given out by the square leg umpire. My concern was that the ball having settled in the wicket keepers gloves ( he couldn't have asked for a catch unless it was) should the ball therefore have been considered dead?
The players asked whethe I had given the catch I said no, the batsman nor any of the fielders or spectators queried the decision
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Post by tippex2 on Jun 30, 2014 9:33:00 GMT
Difficult to say without having been there, but I can't see an obvious problem. There's a difference between the keeper having full control of the ball to complete the catch, and it being "finally settled" for the purposes of Law 23.
If a throw comes in to the bowler, and he turns and throws to the 'keeper's end to try for a run out, then presumably the bowler's had control of the ball, in order to throw it, but it would be difficult to argue that it had "finally settled".
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Post by sillypoint on Jun 30, 2014 13:13:36 GMT
My comments on this relate to understanding what the Laws say. Law 23.2 says: "Whether the ball is finally settled or not is a matter for the umpire alone to decide." Further, Appendix D makes clear: "where the description the umpire is used on its own, it always means ‘the bowler’s end umpire’". Therefore the question is one for you alone, at the bowler's end, to decide. But you cannot make a decision about that at that precise moment, because you are busy deciding how to answer an appeal. And since the ball is not made dead as a result of an unsuccessful appeal, then you can hardly expect the players to regard it as anything but very much in play still. If there was a significant delay after you gave your not out decision before the keeper threw down the wicket, then maybe you have an issue, but not in the circumstances you describe.
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gully
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Post by gully on Jun 30, 2014 13:37:06 GMT
Thanks for that, it just seemed to me a little bit of sharp practice at the time,or maybe extremely quick thinking on the 'keepers part and only in mulling it over did I worry we had got it wrong. As you suspected it happened very quickly and almost before I gave the not out, so no significant delay
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