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Post by bobo on Jun 25, 2014 20:58:22 GMT
This is my first season of umpiring and did a 2 day u17 game. Everything was clear with 17 overs an hour and 102 overs in a day. However me and my colleague were confused on when the last hour starts. With the close of play scheduled for 6 I thought the last hour starts at 5 with a minimum of 17 but if the over rate is slow then those overs will be added to the minimum 17. However we were told the last hour starts when there are 17 overs remaining. So if 17 overs are remaining at 5.30 then it starts then. This doesen't make complete sense because for example by 6.15 you may have completed the minimum 17 and therefore the scheduled overs but still are playing extra overs after the scheduled close!
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Post by tippex2 on Jun 26, 2014 9:00:37 GMT
Depends exactly what the wording of the relevant competition regulation is. If it says something along the lines of the rule in my league that "the last hour starts at the conclusion of the [85th] over", then you have to play for an hour after that time, even if the over rate improves and you get more than 17 in in that time.
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Post by sillypoint on Jun 27, 2014 10:11:06 GMT
I agree with tippex2—the key is, what does the relevant local rule say. You problem began with "… we were told …" When confronted with this, you response should be either (1) to quote to whoever you are dealing with what the local rule says (this is the preferred option, because you KNOW your rules, right?); or (2) say something like: "I'm not quite clear on it, let's check the rule book, shall we?"—and then get the book out and read it.
In either case, you should then follow what the written rule says, not what someone tells you they think you should do. If the rule says the last hour commences when 17 overs remain then that is what you do (but I'll bet it doesn't say that!). Most comps have something like a nominal time for close of play together with a minimum total overs for the day, together with (if they have anything about this) a minimum number of overs in the last hour—from what you state, it sounds like this is the case in your comp. If that is the case the last hour commences one hour before the nominal closing time, regardless of the number of overs completed to that point.
It's a good idea to think about why there is a Law setting down a minimum number of overs in the last hour (modified by local rules as in this case). The purpose is to prevent a fielding side from unduly slowing play at the end of the day. Suppose there is simply a rule saying there must be a minimum of 102 overs for the day, but no provision for the last hour. With an hour to go the fielding side have already bowled 91 overs. If the captain then decides to try and only bowl 11 overs in the next hour your only means of dealing with this is to apply the Time Wasting Law (42.9). Do so and you will be buying an argument, because the captain can point to the fact that he is well on target to bowl his minimum requirement of 102 overs. But if there is a provision covering the last hour he will still have to bowl 20 (if Law 16.8 is in effect) or 17 if that is what the local rule says. Which raises an interesting point: how many competitions have no specific provision concerning the last hour of a match, and do not state in their rules that Law 16.8 does not apply, yet do not apply that Law? I know few!
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Post by tippex2 on Jun 27, 2014 10:49:42 GMT
To take the (relatively easily available) example of the ICC's Test Match playing conditions..
"on the last day, a minimum of 75 overs (or a minimum of 15 overs per hour) shall be bowled during the playing time other than the last hour of the match where clause 16.1.6 below shall apply. If any of the minimum of 75 overs, or as recalculated, have not been bowled when one hour of the scheduled playing time remains, the last hour of the match for the purposes of clause 16.1.6 shall be the hour immediately following the completion of these overs."
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16.1.6 Last Hour "Law 16.6, 16.7 and 16.8 will apply except that a minimum of 15 overs shall be bowled in the last hour and all calculations with regard to suspensions of play or the start of a new innings shall be based on 1 over for each full 4 minutes (refer clause 16.1.9 below)."
Essentially this means that there are 2 minimums on the last day - a minimum of 75 before the last hour, and a minimum of 15 in the last hour. On English timings, with a scheduled close of 6pm, this means that if it takes until 5.15 to bowl the first 75 overs of the last day, the last hour starts at that point, and you have to play until (at least) 6.15, even if more than 15 overs are bowled in the last hour.
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Post by bobo on Jun 27, 2014 11:03:05 GMT
Thanks Tippex. I am pretty sure now that the ECB u17 championship follows the same method as the test match so the last hour can only begin when there are 17 left or if the over rate is quick then 1 hour before the scheduled close. It's my first full season of umpiring but I should now these championship rules. Thanks guys.
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Post by missingleg on Jun 27, 2014 14:08:06 GMT
Hi bobo, hi everyone. It's easy to get confused because we're all so used to doing limited overs matches. The reason I'm sure we were 'told' wrong because of the wording in the competition playing conditions for the U17 County Championship's hours of play on page 89: static.ecb.co.uk/files/3285-nfc-under17champ-2014-p83-100-lr-12787.pdf Therefore the only stipulations are (in an uninterrupted match) 1) 6pm scheduled close of play 2) a minimum of 102 in the day 3) a minimum of 17 in the last hour Otherwise, it's the laws of cricket (Law 16 - www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-16-start-of-play-cessation-of-play/)In conclusion, the last hour is ALWAYS signalled at 5pm (or as soon after 5pm from when the previous over finished), then... - If 85 overs have been bowled the last hour is a minimum of 17. - If fewer than 85 overs have been bowled the minimum becomes greater than 17 in order to satisfy the 102 minimum in the day. - If more than 85 overs have been bowled the minimum will still be 17 and the minimum in the day will effectively be increased. If anyone has had the will to read all these playing conditions, could you please tell me if these statements are correct?
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Post by tippex2 on Jun 27, 2014 14:24:51 GMT
Agree with missingleg's interpretation. To put it another way, you call the last hour at the end of the over in progress at 5pm, and then play until all 3 of the following conditions are met: - 17 overs bowled since the last hour called
- 102 overs in total bowled in the day
- 6pm reached.
For clarity, the above timings assume an uninterrupted day - in practice this is unlikely to happen as the playing conditions lay down that drinks intervals get added on to close of play in addition to any weather delays.
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Post by missingleg on Jun 27, 2014 15:11:06 GMT
Tippex2 - yes so really as you add on the allowed maximum 6 minutes for three drinks breaks the scheduled close becomes 18.06 with the last hour due to be called at 17.06?
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Post by sillypoint on Jun 27, 2014 23:55:49 GMT
I would have though not. The rule says: "The playing time on each day shall be extended by the amount of time lost" but does mention changing the scheduled time for close of play. The last hour would still begin at 5.00pm.
In competitions I have been involved in you take time lost into account only when calculating time penalties, but not adjusting the hours of play as you go along. For example, if a side completes its 102 overs at 6.06pm and there have been 6 minutes of time lost it would suffer no time penalty, but if there have been only 2 minutes of time lost it would suffer whatever penalty is required for being 4 minutes slow.
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