Interpretation of League Points System

[coverdrive]

Hello everyone. We have a question on how to interpret the league points system. Can you please read the attachment and confirm:

a) what is the max number of points a team may obtain in a game

b) max points to be awarded in case of forfeited fixture


Cheers.

Attachments:

[coverdrive]

Many thanks for your input. The confirmation of 2013 division champs dépends on it.

[jaybee]

Really this is one for the league's committee - and they should think about revising the rules for next year if the current version is unclear.

Just to start the ball rolling what the answers are seem to be:

a) A winning team could collect 30 points (20 for a win plus 5 batting and 5 bowling points)

b) As I read it the fixture is awarded to a team if the other side forfeits; the rule says nothing about bonus points or awarding the maximum possible. It follows that the 'innocent' team should get win points (20) and no more.
The rationale for this is that they neither batted nor bowled so they didn't score enough runs, didn't take wickets and didn't bat at all so couldn't have batted second to collect unused batting points.

Or have I misunderstood the question?

[coverdrive]

Cheers John, thank you for your reply.

[coverdrive]

I am still hoping for more replies.

[missingleg]

It is my experience that any forfeiture in any league or event results in maximum possible points being awarded to the other team, on the basis that it's unffair to deprive a team from scoring maximum points (as they don't have the opportunity of doing so in this case).

Otherwise, if a team had a 21 point lead in the last game, then forfeiting the game wins them the league - whereas playing the game could lose them the league.

These ar my opinons, however this is not a matter for umpires but the league exec, we just do the on-field bit (thank goodness!)

[jaybee]

Oct 31, 2013 9:53:26 GMT missingleg said:

It is my experience that any forfeiture in any league or event results in maximum possible points being awarded to the other team, ....

I agree that's what normally happens but that's not what the rules - as set out in the attachment to coverdrive's post - say.
The relevant part is:

1) If a club forfeits a fixture, the fixture concerned will be awarded to the opposition and the club forfeiting shall receive a €100 fine.

A club is entitled to have bonus points over and above the win points but these are awarded for actually taking wickets, actually scoring runs or being prevented from scoring more runs because they batted second and passed the other side's total.
None of those things apply and to award more than the 20 points allowed for the win would be going against the actual rules, no matter how contrary to normal conventions it might be.
The underlying problem is that the rule itself is a bit nonsensical.

Oct 31, 2013 9:53:26 GMT missingleg said:

... if a team had a 21 point lead in the last game, then forfeiting the game wins them the league - whereas playing the game could lose them the league.

True - but only if they're playing the team which needs 21 points to overtake them. If the second-placed team is playing elsewhere they might well score more than that.
On the other hand if a team needed 21 points to avoid relegation awarding them 30 points for a forfeiture could mean that an 'innocent' team faced the drop instead.
It's easy to put forward hypothetical situations either way which is why it's important to get the rules right in the first place and then follow what they say rather than make up something after the event.

[coverdrive]

Based on the attachment how many points are to be given in case of a win? John has given his response - any others?


Regards and thanks.

[gooders]

I would ask one thing, which may already have been done, but has the question been put to the appropriate League Executive Committee?

[coverdrive]

yes it has, but questions still exist