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Post by Acumen on Jul 11, 2013 9:04:37 GMT
In my recent newsletter, I posed the question:
When giving guard, do you move up to the wicket?
My initial view was against this as it gives the impression that you think this position is more accurate than the place from which you give LBWs.
However one of my correspondents writes: I find that this helps to establish contact and makes it easier to communicate bowlers action and number of balls left in the over.
What do YOU think?
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Post by Mayur Wankhade Deshmukh on Jul 12, 2013 8:08:43 GMT
I personally agree with Acumen's view and mostly avoid to step forward or backward while giving guard to striker. I believe in loud and clear communication with striker as far as this can be easily achievable when there is no loud noise around you. My experience is that , being in best suited position to catch any act well before bowler starts his run up will ease the things for you , moving forward or backward and that to even when spinner is bowling may take time to prepare yourself immediately for the delivery.
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Post by sillypoint on Jul 13, 2013 1:17:42 GMT
I must say the idea that by giving guard up at the stumps we are implying that we give LBW decisions from an inferior position had never occurred to me! I suppose it bears some thought, but for what it's worth I have always felt that standing directly behind the stumps to give guard looks more professional and more respectful to the striker.
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Post by gooders on Jul 13, 2013 8:54:55 GMT
I must say the idea that by giving guard up at the stumps we are implying that we give LBW decisions from an inferior position had never occurred to me! I suppose it bears some thought, but for what it's worth I have always felt that standing directly behind the stumps to give guard looks more professional and more respectful to the striker. Bearing what you say about standing directly behind the stumps, what do you do if you have a ground where the batsman's mark wears away very quickly, and he asks to check it say twice an over? Are you moving backwards and forwards to check it for him?
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Post by viswajith on Jul 13, 2013 17:16:32 GMT
what i am doing was if the batsman is commencing his innings or recommences after an interval and asks for guard,i will give guard up at stumps....simply for the above mentioned reasons by my colleagues and one more thing...the batsman will feel that umpire cares for him and it may ease a good fluent relation with players...but if asking again and again in b/w overs,i will give it from where i stand itself...that will do
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Post by Gareth on Jul 23, 2013 14:07:15 GMT
I give the guard from where I stand for one simple reason, this is the position from which I will be making all of my judgements. It allows me to be consistent.
Also from my vantage point I can ensure that both sets of stumps are in line as I give the guard. It makes it more accurate not less. Closer up to the stumps, any positioning of the head off-centre will amplify any error you make giving guard.
It's a no brainer as far as I can see.
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Post by Gareth on Jul 23, 2013 14:12:01 GMT
the batsman will feel that umpire cares for him and it may ease a good fluent relation with players If you are reliant on meaningless gestures to build a rapport with players there is something wrong. In my experience players appreciate an umpire who takes the time to give them the guard that they want and communicates clearly with them. Moving up to the stumps may make you feel better, but as a player I don't think I ever noticed an umpire's position when I was given strike.
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Post by missingleg on Jul 23, 2013 16:39:15 GMT
I don't bother to stand up, I'd say it makes little or no difference but do what you are comfortable with.
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Post by glowrie1938 on Jul 28, 2013 21:53:31 GMT
When giving guard, stand with your right (or left) shoulder in line with the wickets, face the side the bowler is intending to deliver the ball. Over your shoulder you can give guard, then, when the bowler starts his run-up (the ball coming into play) turn to face the striker this being your mental signal to switch up. Take a breath to fill the lungs should a call & signal of NO-BALL be required. After the ball has been played into the outfield, if you have not been required to move, when the ball becomes dead, make a quarter turn to face that side to unobtrusively watch the ball as it is returned to the bowler, keep your shoulder in line with the striker. A similar approach should be taken at the striker’s end. Assuming a right-handed striker; face the bowler, the striker over your right shoulder. As the bowler starts his run-up, take a breath to fill your lungs as you turn to face the striker while continuing to watch the bowler’s delivery. This is the moment to call & signal NO-BALL for any infringement by the bowler or keeper. After the ball has been played, turn a little in the direction where the ball has been struck, while watching the running batsmen. While few on or off the field would notice this, it does help the umpire to keep alert to what is happening. I have only seen this being done at test level once, that being before the introduction of TV umpires and innumerable replays. :-/
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Post by jaybee on Jul 29, 2013 11:04:37 GMT
I find that I generally stand at the stumps as we seem to communicate better that way. However I don't think it makes much difference and often if I'm asked to re-check when I'm already stood back in my normal position I do it from there.
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Post by duncanfrancis on Jul 29, 2013 13:12:09 GMT
When giving guard, stand with your right (or left) shoulder in line with the wickets, face the side the bowler is intending to deliver the ball. Over your shoulder you can give guard, then, when the bowler starts his run-up (the ball coming into play) turn to face the striker this being your mental signal to switch up. Take a breath to fill the lungs should a call & signal of NO-BALL be required. After the ball has been played into the outfield, if you have not been required to move, when the ball becomes dead, make a quarter turn to face that side to unobtrusively watch the ball as it is returned to the bowler, keep your shoulder in line with the striker. A similar approach should be taken at the striker’s end. Assuming a right-handed striker; face the bowler, the striker over your right shoulder. As the bowler starts his run-up, take a breath to fill your lungs as you turn to face the striker while continuing to watch the bowler’s delivery. This is the moment to call & signal NO-BALL for any infringement by the bowler or keeper. After the ball has been played, turn a little in the direction where the ball has been struck, while watching the running batsmen. While few on or off the field would notice this, it does help the umpire to keep alert to what is happening. I have only seen this being done at test level once, that being before the introduction of TV umpires and innumerable replays. :-/ Far too complicated and too much movement. Keep it simple and give all decisions etc from the same possition when at bowlers end !
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Post by gooders on Jul 29, 2013 18:47:53 GMT
When giving guard, stand with your right (or left) shoulder in line with the wickets, face the side the bowler is intending to deliver the ball. Over your shoulder you can give guard, then, when the bowler starts his run-up (the ball coming into play) turn to face the striker this being your mental signal to switch up. Take a breath to fill the lungs should a call & signal of NO-BALL be required. After the ball has been played into the outfield, if you have not been required to move, when the ball becomes dead, make a quarter turn to face that side to unobtrusively watch the ball as it is returned to the bowler, keep your shoulder in line with the striker. A similar approach should be taken at the striker’s end. Assuming a right-handed striker; face the bowler, the striker over your right shoulder. As the bowler starts his run-up, take a breath to fill your lungs as you turn to face the striker while continuing to watch the bowler’s delivery. This is the moment to call & signal NO-BALL for any infringement by the bowler or keeper. After the ball has been played, turn a little in the direction where the ball has been struck, while watching the running batsmen. While few on or off the field would notice this, it does help the umpire to keep alert to what is happening. I have only seen this being done at test level once, that being before the introduction of TV umpires and innumerable replays. :-/ I don't wish to appear like a know-all, but what has this diatribe got to do with giving guard?
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Post by igmc on Jul 30, 2013 9:34:21 GMT
Sounds like the choreography for a game of Twister! As others have said, too much movement, far too complicated. glowrie1938 - where did this originate from? Your own ideas, or a course somewhere? I've not come across anything like this before.
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Post by mmmapmpm on Aug 29, 2013 9:02:38 GMT
I've notice that quite a few of my colleagues actually lean forward in their normal standing position when checking a batmans guard, which I think is admirable. I may even adopt this myself in time.
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Post by whakidywhak on Aug 29, 2013 14:10:26 GMT
It's a personal thing. I give guard from my 'in play' position behind the stumps. This is from where all the 'in line' decisions are made so why should giving guard be different? The "Glowrie" system sounds bizarre - thought it was a micky-take at first! Showing extra care and concern for the batsman's guard by moving or stooping (I've even seen umpires crouch down and take aim) is very nice but infers a weakness and is, in my view, unnecessary.
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