run out/bowled?

[viswajith]

according to the new rule,a bowler can run out the non striker before his normal release point,right?the situation is a bowler accidentally dislodges the bails with his hands during the delivery swing...at that time the non striker was out of his ground...he delivered that ball and the striker got out bowled....he made an appeal too after the delivery...whom should be given out and how?please share your valuable views

[gooders]

You have stated that he is already in his delivery stride, so the possibility of the non-striker being run out is not there. By the way, I wouldn't call the law change which happened back in 2000 a new rule. If the bowler hasn't dislodged the bails before, then it's unlikely that the batsman has complained that he has been distracted and should be dismissed on appeal "Bowled". It's only very recently that the distraction element has been raised, and even that only at international level (quite wrongly in my opinion).

[Acumen]

Please be aware that normal MCC Law says "before entering his delivery stride" whilst ICC have experimentally defined a slightly later time - not sure of exact wording.

[gooders]

You have to remember that according to MCC Law, straightening of the arm during delivery is a no balll too Colin, but ICC allow, what is it , about 11 degrees. This is only discernable using hi speed filming and use of computer technology, so in top grade cricket, strictly speaking, throwing is allowed.
My own preference is to use the laws as held by the custodians.

[viswajith]

here...now adays the latest playing conditions are applying for all tournaments....so this case is very much possible....what to do if such a situation occur??

[gooders]

What do you mean by "latest playing conditions" Are you choosing to ignore the Laws of Cricket?
If you are going to allow the run out, then the ball immediately becomes dead, and any further incident is meaningless.

[Beaky]

I'm struggling with this thread. A bowler can only run out a non-striker before he enters his delivery stride (ie before the back foot comes down) so therefore by definition a run out can't be effected by something that can only happen after the bowling action has been completed without the bowler releasing the ball ( a precondition to having the wicket properly broken as the ball must still be in the hand that does the breaking). So it is a quick call and signal of Dead Ball, a reasonably terse response of Not Out if ther ei s an appeal, and an even terser aside to the bowler about wasting everyone's time by effing about in this pointless way.

[gooders]

Feb 15, 2013 11:09:41 GMT Acumen said:

Please be aware that normal MCC Law says "before entering his delivery stride" whilst ICC have experimentally defined a slightly later time - not sure of exact wording.

I've just checked the ICC international playing conditions, Colin, and the wording is as follows:
Law42.15 shall be replaced by the following:
The bowler is permitted, before releasing the ball and provided he has not completed his usual delivery swing, to attempt to run out the non-striker. Whether he is successful or not, the ball shall not count as one of the over. If the bowler fails in an attempt to run out the non-striker, the umpire shall call and signal Dead ball as soon as possible.

This only applies to international matches covered by ICC regulations, so I am not sure which competition our colleague viswajith is umpiring, but it would seem that they are wanting to use ICC regulations, not the Laws of Cricket.

[viswajith]

not only ICC,BCCI also amend the playing conditions after that....here in the limited overs tournaments,every one is following the amended playing conditions such as max of 4 fielders outside circle in the non power play overs,mankading and so on...while allowing run out there is a problem na?bowled takes precedence over any other mode is what law says....there comes my doubt...please clarify

[gooders]

As I stated before, these do not form part of the laws of cricket, they are playing conditions, so I would respectfully suggest that here would not be your best place to get the answer you require, but contact with BCCI should be able to clear up any doubts you have.