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Post by Acumen on Dec 2, 2010 9:42:42 GMT
A batsman is run out on the first run.
Officially you should place a dot in the bowler's analysis.
Do you have any unofficial way of specially identifying this ball?
What would you record if a(nother) batsman is timed out?
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Post by Acumen on Dec 3, 2010 11:29:38 GMT
Cathy Rawson advises:-
In a box type scoring record the options are:
1 Use the letter R with any other entry for that delivery (dot ball, No ball, Wide, runs completed before the run out, either to the bat or as extras)
2 Underline the entry IF the batsmen are not at the ends as expected from the entry (for example, run out on first run, no runs scored but crossed)
3 Record the over & ball on which the wicket fell in the fall of wicket section
I use 2 & 3 and do not use the letter 'R' as it takes up too much space in the bowling box; it's easy to track back which bowler & which over, particularly if the scorer numbers each over.
When using linear scoring the run out is recorded and the new batsman comes in/the over is completed on a new line so no problems.
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Post by willscorer on Feb 14, 2011 23:23:34 GMT
I have the greatest respect for Cathy, so I offer this only as an option. I've submitted this suggestion before, and was told it takes up too much room. Maybe, although I've been using it for 20 years scoring and never yet seen any other scorer do anything I prefer.
I don't like the letter R, one reason being I wanted a mark that would also serve for the other wickets not taken by the bowler (handled the ball, hit the ball twice, obstructing the field) should one ever occur when I'm scoring. Also I don't like it being off to the side of the events of the ball in question.
My initial method was to surround whatever happens on the ball with the two outside strokes of the W - to show a wicket has fallen, but it's not credited to the bowler. e.g. \1/ would show a run out occurred on the second run. Couple this with underlying the entry as Cathy advises if the batsmen are not at the ends as expected from the entry.
Later I developed this to show whether the batsman out was the striker or non-striker. If striker, do as above, if non-striker invert the strokes of the W. So for instance if the bowler knocks a stright drive onto the non-striker's wicket with him out of his ground, I show this as /.\
With all the above: the actual entry for runs scored, underlining if necessary, and \ / or / \, it is possible to track the entire history of the delivery.
Take it or leave it, I promise you it works for me.
Timed out is a bit different, as it takes place between deliveries. Since this is not dissimilar to a retirement, I would do as I do for that: I use a sort-of backwards capital L to surround the bottom right of the entry, so for timed out something like W|
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Post by Mick Swithinbank on Sept 2, 2011 20:31:43 GMT
With reference to showing a Run Out in the bowling analysis:
I've always used R for this, both in the bowling analysis and - if the non-striker is run out - on the striker's line. If any runs are scored, I bracket them together with the R, otherwise I think R is sufficient by itself. Obviously it's underlined if the batsmen are at different ends from those expected. I find this the clearest method.
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Post by wisden17 on Sept 3, 2011 19:27:22 GMT
I write all wickets in red ink when I score (so a red W for a wicket the bowler gets credit for), this means if there's a run-out I instead of putting my normal (blue) dot or figure, I just write it in red, this applies to all forms of dismissal that a bowler doesn't get credit for, and thus is a far better system than just writing 'R', I mean what do people do if it's a Timed Out (my red dot system works, whereas I imagine putting 'TO' in the box would look even worse than writing 'R', which I don't much like).
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