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Post by nedwilsher on Aug 31, 2010 22:46:03 GMT
A recent t20 final saw the batting side requiring two runs to win off the last ball of the match. A single run would tie the match (Law 21.4); and under the playing regulations for the competition a tie would be decided on the side with the least wickets fallen. That happened to be the batting side. So the batting side needed one run to tie the match, and win the final.
The striker was injured and had a runner. The final delivery glanced the pads and the non-striker and runner completed a run (leg-bye) to take the title. But, and here is the crux of the matter, the injured striker also ran a single leaving him at the wrong end of the pitch. The question is: did the completion of the run signal the end of the match under Law 21.6 or was the injured striker at risk of being run out so that the run shall not count under Law 2.8(c)? In the latter case the batting side would have been one run short and would have lost the title.
This is an interesting conundrum because one might be tempted to say that the run brought about a tie and a "result had been reached as defined in [Law 21.6(4)]" and the "match brought to an end". But that does not seem to make common sense. To score runs the injured striker is expected to remain in his ground and he clearly transgressed this general understnding. On balance, I think the fielding side had the right to dismiss him. But is this what the laws permit, I ask?
Law 21.6 brings the match to an end when a tie is reached. But a tie is defined in Law 21.4 and is conditional upon the batting side having "completed its innings".
So when does a side "complete its innings"?
We now look to Law 12.3, which in this scenario means an innings has been completed when "the prescribed number of overs has been bowled". So this takes us on to Law 22.3 which effectively determines when the over has been bowled, that is once the ball has become dead (on the sixth delivery to 'count'). And so to Law 23 (Dead ball) which offers little help other than that in Law 23.1(b); which I refer to as the 'natural dead ball'.
Any thoughts, guys?
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Post by abhi on Sept 1, 2010 18:44:46 GMT
You explained it yourself! The ball in PLAY,so the innings is not COMPLETED,so the RESULT is not REACHED(LAW 21.4),so LAW 21.6(a)(4) is NOT APPLICABLE.
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Post by nedwilsher on Sept 1, 2010 22:06:56 GMT
So there it is then. And so why did all the Hampshire players run on the field of play to celebrate and the Somerset players not attempt the run out? Ignorance of the law?
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Post by chartman on Sept 2, 2010 3:57:12 GMT
So when does a side "complete its innings"? We now look to Law 12.3, which in this scenario means an innings has been completed when "the prescribed number of overs has been bowled". So this takes us on to Law 22.3 which effectively determines when the over has been bowled, that is once the ball has become dead (on the sixth delivery to 'count'). And so to Law 23 (Dead ball) which offers little help other than that in Law 23.1(b); which I refer to as the 'natural dead ball'. Any thoughts, guys? As Abhi says, you have answered the query yourself. Law 21.4. A Tie The result of a match shall be a Tie when the scores are equal at the conclusion of play, but only if the side batting last has completed its innings.Without the clause "...completed its innings." it would be very difficult for a team batting second to win because you would have the nonsensical situation that whenever they caught up with the target score time would be called and the game declared a tie. In limited over cricket the completion of the innings of the side batting last would be at the conclusion of their allocated overs. In the example you quote the ball in question was actually their last allocated ball so their innings would be completed when the ball became dead - not when the first run was complete. I didn't see the game in question but if the fielding side did not attempt a run out it may be argued that the ball had become dead. Law 23.1(b) The ball shall be considered to be dead when it is clear to the umpire at the bowler's end that the fielding side and both batsmen at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play.You may be right when you say "Ignorance of the Law?" on the missed opportunity by Somerset.
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Post by lofters on Sept 2, 2010 15:48:27 GMT
'In limited over cricket the completion of the innings of the side batting last would be at the conclusion of their allocated overs. In the example you quote the ball in question was actually their last allocated ball so their innings would be completed when the ball became dead - not when the first run was complete. I didn't see the game in question but if the fielding side did not attempt a run out it may be argued that the ball had become dead. Law 23.1(b) The ball shall be considered to be dead when it is clear to the umpire at the bowler's end that the fielding side and both batsmen at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play. You may be right when you say "Ignorance of the Law?" on the missed opportunity by Somerset.'
Absolutely..... I think the Umpires would have concluded that both teams considered the ball dead a short time after the run was 'completed'. Somerset had that short time to bring the Laws to mind and effect a run out. They didnt, so the inning was therefore complete and a result reached.
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Post by abhi on Sept 3, 2010 22:20:25 GMT
What if,in this scenario the RUN was for A WIN!!?........
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Post by chartman on Sept 4, 2010 9:52:09 GMT
What if,in this scenario the RUN was for A WIN!!?........ Interesting. I'm just about to go and umpire a game and try out the new nylon lever so these are just my initial quick thoughts without reference to any books. Although the none striker and runner have made good their ground in the act of completing a run the injured striker had left his ground as well. As he had left his ground as part of that initial run (and not just in celebration of the victory) then, it could be argued, that run is not technically complete as one of the THREE batsmen is out of their ground. I would therefore not regard the ball dead and allow the fielding side the opportunity to run the injured striker out. If they are successful the run will not count and so the vulnerability of the injured striker to be run out is actually key to the result of the game. When it is clear the fielding side have no intention of trying to run out the injured striker then time can be called. This is why it is not for the players themselves to decide when the game is over - but for the umpires to decide.
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Post by wisden17 on Sept 4, 2010 20:13:58 GMT
Ball becomes dead the instant that winning run is scored (bar the batsman being caught). So I'd say even if injured striker is out of his ground the run is still complete and game is over instant the non-striker and runner ground their bats.
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Post by chartman on Sept 5, 2010 15:10:31 GMT
Although only hypothetical I think abhi has raised a very interesting question. I have now had a look at the laws and the scenario appears to engage at least 5 of them. I copy them below simply for ease of reference for this topic. I believe wisden17 is probably right. The crux of the matter seems to depend precisely on when the ball becomes dead. wisden17's answer is very elegant in its simplicity. At the moment the runner and non-striker cross and then make good their ground they have completed a run (Law 18.1) and as this was the winning hit the match is at an end (Law 21.6(a)) and Time should be called (Laws 16.2 & 16.9) and by definition when Time is called the ball is dead. Consider though Law 18 in a little more detail, specifically Law 18.10(c). If the wicket at the keeper's end is put down the striker will be out (run out in this scenario) even though the other batsman and runner have made good their ground. And as a result of the striker being out no run shall be scored. As the striker has made himself liable to being run out, and as a consequence losing the run as well as his wicket, shouldn't the ball still be considered in play as the match has not, in fact reached a conclusion? Law 2 (Substitutes and runners; batsman or fielder leaving the field; batsman retiring; batsman commencing innings) 8. Transgression of the Laws by a batsman who has a runner
(c) When a batsman with a runner is striker he remains himself subject to the Laws and will be liable to the penalties that any infringement of them demands.
Additionally, if he is out of his ground when the wicket is put down at the wicket-keeper's end, he will be out in the circumstances of Law 38 (Run out) or Law 39 (Stumped) irrespective of the position of the non-striker or of the runner. If he is thus dismissed, runs completed by the runner and the other batsman before the dismissal shall not be scored. However, the penalty for a No ball or a Wide shall stand, together with any penalties to either side that may be awarded when the ball is dead.
Law 16 (Start of play; cessation of play) 2. Call of Time
The umpire at the bowler's end shall call Time on the cessation of play before any interval or interruption of play and at the conclusion of the match. 9. Conclusion of match
The match is concluded
(a) as soon as a result, as defined in sections 1, 2, 3 or 4 of Law 21 (The result), is reached.
Law 18 (Scoring runs) 1. A run
The score shall be reckoned by runs. A run is scored
(a) so often as the batsmen, at any time while the ball is in play, have crossed and made good their ground from end to end. 2. Runs disallowed
Notwithstanding 1 above, or any other provisions elsewhere in the Laws, the scoring of runs or awarding of penalties will be subject to any disallowance of runs provided for within the Laws that may be applicable. 10. Runs scored when a batsman is dismissed
In addition to any penalties to either side that may be applicable, if a batsman is
(a) dismissed Handled the ball, the batting side shall score the runs completed before the offence. (b) dismissed Obstructing the field, the batting side shall score the runs completed before the offence.
If, however, the obstruction prevents a catch from being made, no runs other than penalties shall be scored. (c) dismissed Run out, the batting side shall score the runs completed before the dismissal.
If, however, a striker with a runner is himself dismissed Run out, no runs other than penalties shall be scored. See Law 2.8 (Transgression of the Laws by a batsman who has a runner). 11. Runs scored when ball becomes dead
(a) When the ball becomes dead on the fall of a wicket, runs shall be scored as laid down in 9 and 10 above. (b) When the ball becomes dead for any reason other than the fall of a wicket, or is called dead by an umpire, unless there is specific provision otherwise in the Laws, the batting side shall be credited with
(i) all runs completed by the batsmen before the incident or call
and (ii) the run in progress if the batsmen have crossed at the instant of the incident or call.
Law 21 (The result) 6. Winning hit or extras
(a) As soon as a result is reached, as defined in 1, 2, 3 or 4 above, the match is at an end. Nothing that happens thereafter, except as in Law 42.17(b) (Penalty runs), shall be regarded as part of it. Note also 9 below. (b) The side batting last will have scored enough runs to win only if its total of runs is sufficient without including any runs completed before the dismissal of the striker by the completion of a catch or by the obstruction of a catch.
Law 38 (Run out) 4. Runs scored
If a batsman is dismissed Run out, the batting side shall score the runs completed before the dismissal, together with the penalty for a No ball or a Wide, if applicable. Other penalties to either side that may be awarded when the ball is dead shall also stand. See Law 42.17 (Penalty runs).
If, however, a striker with a runner is himself dismissed Run out, runs completed by the runner and the other batsman before the dismissal shall not be scored. The penalty for a No ball or a Wide and any other penalties to either side that may be awarded when the ball is dead shall stand. See Laws 2.8 (Transgression of the Laws by a batsman who has a runner) and 42.17(b) (Penalty runs).
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Post by abhi on Sept 5, 2010 18:53:25 GMT
When an injured Batsman is facing the bowling, he and his runner between them count as a SINGLE PERSON.(Open Learning Manual,page-9 h)
So,if one of them is NOT in the GROUND The RUN is not COMPLETED and not even SCORED.
The Injured Striker's GROUND is ALWAYS at the wicket keeper's end.[Law 29.2(e)]
So,until the injured batsman has made his ground at the wicket keeper's end,Law 21.6 is NOT APPLICABLE!..Am I wrong!?..
By the way,how was your match,chartman?
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Post by wisden17 on Sept 5, 2010 20:39:20 GMT
When an injured Batsman is facing the bowling, he and his runner between them count as a SINGLE PERSON.(Open Learning Manual,page-9 h) So,if one of them is NOT in the GROUND The RUN is not COMPLETED and not even SCORED. I take what you saying about the Open Learning Manual, however this is just trying to simplify the general position of runners and doesn't necessarily help with the specific issue at hand. The fact that the injured striker is not in his ground does not stop the run from being scored, it leaves him liable (in normal (i.e. not the last ball of the match)) circumstances to being run-out, but that is all. However the winning run is a very special event in law. The moment it is scored the ball becomes dead so any subsequent events are irrelevant. The only exception is related to a catch being taken (or the obstruction of one).
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Post by chartman on Sept 5, 2010 21:17:21 GMT
However the winning run is a very special event in law. The moment it is scored the ball becomes dead so any subsequent events are irrelevant. The only exception is related to a catch being taken (or the obstruction of one). Law 21.6. Winning hit or extras (b) The side batting last will have scored enough runs to win only if its total of runs is sufficient without including any runs completed before the dismissal of the striker by the completion of a catch or by the obstruction of a catch. Which is why I said that I believed you (wisden17) were right. The laws do make a very special event of the winning hit - confirmed by the existence of a clause just for that. I simply wanted to present a potential counter argument as it was a beautiful sunny Sunday sat in the conservatory drinking coffee. I'd had a very enjoyable day of cricket yesterday with no controversy and played in good spirit (thank you for asking abhi) and I was actually enjoying the opportunity of studying some of the laws in depth and seeing how they all interact with each other. Beats Sunday morning telly anytime.
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Post by abhi on Sept 6, 2010 16:19:29 GMT
Thanx,wisden17 n chartman!
I know Law 21.6 is special.It's applied only when the wining RUN is SCORED,not COMPLETED.
When The striker make NO genuine attempt to hit the ball or attempt to avoid being hit by the ball,then if they COMPLETED a RUN(even the wining run) the RUN was NOT SCORED.Law 21.6 NOT APPLICABLE.
When a RUN(even the wining run) is COMPLETED following a legitimate hit the ball twice without an overthrow,the RUN is NOT SCORED.Law 21.6 NOT APPLICABLE.
In both two cases Umpire call n signal DEAD BALL after COMPLETION of the RUN,because there should be a RUN OUT chance.
When an injured striker deliberately 'PAD UP' a ball, the NON STRIKER and RUNNER both has MADE their GROUND to COMPLETE a RUN,but the injured striker who initially start running,till to MADE his GROUND at the wicket keeper's end.Then what should an UMPIRE do? My opinion,he should not call DEAD BALL,because there TILL a RUN OUT chance!!...So it is!..
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Post by wisden17 on Sept 6, 2010 17:04:51 GMT
Yes, this is because of Law 18.2.
With the situation you describe you would call dead ball as the run has been completed, the law (26.3) is designed so that they have a chance to run the batsmen out, they've had this chance, the run has now been completed and the umpire should call dead ball. It's irrelevant that the injured striker is out of his ground, once that run is complete the law requires the umpire to call and signal dead ball.
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Post by lofters on Sept 7, 2010 14:35:28 GMT
Interesting to see how opinions differ..... I'm sticking by my original take:
'I think the Umpires would have concluded that both teams considered the ball dead a short time after the run was 'completed'. Somerset had that short time to bring the Laws to mind and effect a run out. They didnt, so the inning was therefore complete and a result reached.'
I reckon the ball is not dead [result obtained] at the instant runner and nonstriker make their ground, 'completing' the run.
Let us say the fielding side threw the ball to the 'keeper, who took the bails off narrowly after the nonstriker was home. The was an appeal. Strikers end Umpire is obliged to give the Injured Striker out, run out. Question..... how long is 'narrowly'?
To my mind it is purely a judgement call by the Umps..... to adjudicate/decide when the ball becomes dead, both in their minds and those of the players on the field.
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