johnump
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Post by johnump on Aug 7, 2006 15:58:50 GMT
I had an idea for a new tally counter that combines balls and overs.
Its like a regular tally counter but it goes up in increments of 0.1 each "click." Example - 3.4 3.5 3.6 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 and so on. Thus allowing ball counting and seeing how many overs have been bowled. Particularly useful for Limited Overs Cricket.
What are your thoughts on this potential product?
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Post by Acumen on Aug 9, 2006 6:45:13 GMT
What does anyone else think about this idea?
If so, would YOU buy one or is JohnUmp the only one?
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Post by wisden17 on Aug 9, 2006 20:19:01 GMT
Sounds like quite a good idea. I think it would be very popular in Australia, where a lot of umpires us tally counters to count the number of balls in the over, whereas in the UK, (I owuld say) more umpires use them to record runs.
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Post by Nobby on Aug 18, 2006 20:16:22 GMT
Nothing wong with a pocket full of marbles and an eye on the scoreboard
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johnump
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Post by johnump on Aug 18, 2006 20:26:13 GMT
Nothing wrong with it but its easier with this as you dont have to note the overs bowled as its already on the tally counter.
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Post by Nobby on Aug 20, 2006 9:14:39 GMT
If there is a scoreboard which shows the overs, then there is no need to write anything down as there will be two foot high numbers 50 yards away with the number of the over on it.
Counting the overs is not in the umpires terms of reference. Counting to six is. Why make jobs for yourself.
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Post by swerveman on Aug 20, 2006 21:34:35 GMT
It's not much of a chore, and it came in very handy today, where the scoreboard was proving difficult to operate and the players needed to know the score!
Law 3.15 states "The umpires shall satisfy themselves as to the correctness of the number of runs scored, the wickets that have fallen and, where appropriate, the number of overs bowled."
I don't know how you do it, but I use a tally counter to keep a cumulative total, and enter the reading from the counter into an overs card after each over, together with the number of wickets.
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Post by ankushbabu94 on Sept 2, 2008 3:44:41 GMT
No need for designing a new Tally Counter. With the regular 4 digit counter one can get overs and balls thus :
At the end of each over, while moving to striker's end position, simply click the counter four times.
eg. At the end of over 1, your counter would display 0006. By clicking 4 times you would get 0010, that is 1 over and 0 balls.
At the end of over 2, your counter would display 0016. By clicking 4 times you would get 0020, that is 2 overs and 0 balls.
And so on.
I am from Mumbai, India and was shown this on my very first day of umpiring by my friend Prakash Sant, a former player turned umpire.
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Post by gooders on Sept 2, 2008 9:11:40 GMT
Would that be similar to the counter manufactured by Grey Nicholls, which has not only balls bowled and overs completed, but also wickets which have fallen, and unless I am very much mistaken, is available from most good cricket equipment retail outlets here in the UK, as well as being available on line?
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Post by jaybee on Sept 2, 2008 9:35:35 GMT
Nothing wong with a pocket full of marbles and an eye on the scoreboard It's not much of a chore, and ... very handy ... where the scoreboard was proving difficult to operate and the players needed to know the score! ... I use a tally counter to keep a cumulative total, and enter the reading from the counter into an overs card after each over, together with the number of wickets. I'm with Nobby on the counting of deliveries, though I use pre-decimal coins (solid and - if you drop them - not as likely to disappear as marbles). It's important to keep track of the score - I find that counting runs, wickets and deliveries during the over helps me concentrate and I note the cumulative score at the end of each one. For this I use a hardback ruled A6 notebook, onto which I draw up an overs grid pre-match (our League doesn't provide scorecards and the book stands up to use better than a piece of card anyway). If I'm confident in the scorer the scoreboard acts as a check on my record; if I haven't it's my check on the scorer. Either way it enables me to resolve discrepancies at an early stage and before things get out of hand. There's also an easy record to check the accuracy of the scores at each interval / end of innings.
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Post by Acumen on Sept 2, 2008 12:37:43 GMT
Using a Tally counter for balls and overs as suggested is popular with many umpires.
HOWEVER, I always teach that you should take two actions to count each ball - e.g. pick up marble from right hand pocket when the bowler starts his run up and drop it in the left pocket when the batsman receives a fair delivery (or it becomes dead, whichever you prefer). If something happens to break your rhythm or concentration, then you have two chances of being sure you have counted the ball.
WHEREAS, if you use the tally counter method and something happens unexpectedly, then you have to think - did I count that ball or not?.
If you use the lever counter, then the first action should be to move the finger to 90 degrees and the second action to push it to 180 degrees.
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Post by Srinivasan A R on Sept 4, 2008 12:39:18 GMT
I agree with few of the messages posted here about using a small sheet of paper and a pen. I use a small card (5 inch in width X 3 inch in height) which is self made at home on my pc to record the bowlers name, # of balls bowled, # of overs and runs scored in each ball, with additional information of FOW, Last Batsman Out and extras (NB, WB, LB and B). This provides me a comprehensive scoring technique which has enabled me to solve many a scorer's problems. It also helped to me resolve a major crisis in the penultimate over an International match when the score board failed to show the correct score.
Keeping track of balls / runs on a paper is only an art and requires a few hours practice outside the playing area. Why not try it when you are watching a match live on the field or on TV?
Srinivasan
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Post by jaybee on Sept 5, 2008 12:41:22 GMT
...HOWEVER, I always teach that you should take two actions to count each ball - e.g. pick up marble from right hand pocket when the bowler starts his run up and drop it in the left pocket when the batsman receives a fair delivery (or it becomes dead, whichever you prefer). If something happens to break your rhythm or concentration, then you have two chances of being sure you have counted the ball.... You've made me realise that this is what I've been doing all along!! The only difference is that I have one counter in my right hand as the delivery is made, drop it into the pocket after the fair delivery and transfer one from left hand to right after the ball becomes dead.
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Post by chartman on Jun 7, 2010 14:49:34 GMT
jaybee and others,
I also seem to have accidentally stumbled on the 2 move system.
At the beginning of an over I have 6 hematite pebbles in my right pocket. I take one pebble out of the pocket into my right hand. As the bowler begins his run up I transfer a pebble to my left hand (the ball is now live). When the ball becomes dead I then drop it into my left pocket, or if no ball etc back into my right hand. If I am checking the runs I have a tally counter on a karibina next to my left pocket. If the ball results in runs I take hold of the tally counter (together with the pebble) to remind me to score the runs. When the ball is dead I then click the runs on and I then either drop the pebble into the left pocket or return it to my right hand (no ball etc).
The downside is that both hands are used so I can't easily hold a jumper (have to put over my shoulders or in a waist loop) or cap for the bowler (I use a bulldog clip on my belt).
I am considering the acumen metal tally counters as a simple solution. I'm sure I saw Rudi Koertzen using one during the IPL final.
Does anyone know what system the top professionals use such as Taufel, Bowden etc.
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Post by Umpire Brown on Apr 12, 2011 9:08:02 GMT
I like the Acumen Umpire Log Book because it contains a summary of the procedures and penalties which I can look at during the game without the embarrassment that would be caused by pulling out the Blue Law Book or the White ECB cards.
Obviously I have to use the log book every over to write things down and occasionally look at the table of over rates, so no-one will notice if I flick to a different page!
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