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Post by zaump on Aug 22, 2016 13:38:44 GMT
Hi all
Hypothetical questions regarding run outs. (I've been doing too many of the Guardian's You Are The Umpire quizzes...)
A fair delivery goes through to the keeper untouched, contacts his helmet, whereupon he takes the bails off with the striker out of his ground but not attempting a run. The striker is Run Out; This happened in the IPL when Rahul ran out Saha. Law 39(2)(b) in action.
a) Same scenario, except it's a no ball. Striker can't be out stumped, but he CAN be run out. So, is he out, by sheer bad luck of the ball happening to touch the keeper's helmet? b) Same thing again, except the keeper _realises_ it's a no ball, so deliberately touches the ball to his helmet to invoke 39(2)(b) then takes off the bails and appeals for a run out. Obviously this is wholly against the spirit of the game and you'd take action accordingly, but is the striker out? If not, why not?
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Post by tippex2 on Aug 22, 2016 15:26:43 GMT
Not out in both cases.
Law 38.2 "The Striker is not out Run Out ... if No ball has been called and he is out of his ground not attempting a run and the wicket is fairly put down by the wicket-keeper without the intervention of another fielder."
As all stumpings would be valid Run Out dismissals as well, this prevents the fielding side from claiming a dismissal when, because the delivery was unfair, the law-makers have decided that the striker should have some protection.
The 'keeper can't touch the ball to his helmet, but he could pass the ball to a close fielder to have a shy at the stumps - obviously this takes time and gives the striker a greater opportunity to regain his ground.
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Post by zaump on Aug 22, 2016 20:33:35 GMT
Ah, that makes sense. I really should have thought of that!
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Post by sillypoint on Aug 22, 2016 22:51:43 GMT
Agree with tippex. Under Law 38 the striker can only be Run Out if he is attempting to run—for the very reason tippex explained so well. This protection applies regardless of whether the ball touches the keeper's helmet, so the attempt by the keeper to "invoke 39(2)(b)" is pointless. Did you get that scenario from You Are The Umpire? Some of the answers given there are really dodgy.
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Post by zaump on Aug 23, 2016 18:10:51 GMT
Agree with tippex. Under Law 38 the striker can only be Run Out if he is attempting to run—for the very reason tippex explained so well. This protection applies regardless of whether the ball touches the keeper's helmet, so the attempt by the keeper to "invoke 39(2)(b)" is pointless. Did you get that scenario from You Are The Umpire? Some of the answers given there are really dodgy. No, this particular blonde moment was entirely my own! Agreed re some of the dodgy YATUs, though under the circumstances I'm hardly in a position to criticise
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