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Post by jaybee on Feb 19, 2008 11:45:36 GMT
You may be interested in seeing the notice on the ECB ACO website (!) about an ACU&S Special General Meeting - 1 p.m. at Lord's on 15 March 2008 (at www.ecb.co.uk/ecb/ecb-association-of-cricket-officials/ecb-officials-association-news,1012,BP.html ) Interestingly the motion proposed by the GC says nothing about refunds of excess subscriptions although presumably these remain as liabilities of the Association. The notice is dated 11 February so letters should be arriving soon. |
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Post by Septic on Mar 20, 2008 20:03:34 GMT
What is the point of my local association buying the laptop and projector from ACU&S when there will not be any more GL4, GL5 or GL6 courses? Presumably ECB will provide equipment to their approved instructors.
I believe Colin Pearson raised this matter at SGM but I do not know what the answer was.
Can anyone enlighten me?
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Post by blackbeard on Mar 21, 2008 1:06:02 GMT
ECB will not be supplying Laptops or projectors, this will be up to the county boards to, if they can, in my county they have stated that they will not be supplying these. I think ECB and the counties must think were are mugs, we purchase these to run ECB courses, when they are eventually ready.
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Post by swerveman on Mar 21, 2008 9:59:11 GMT
I believe my branch will be paying £150 to £200 for our laptop and projector. Despite not being completely up-to-date, they are perfectly serviceable, and we expect to be using them around the local clubs to give some basic training using the ACUS material. It doesn't seem impossible that we will also need them for the standard ACUS course later in the year, since the ECB courses and instructors may well not be available.
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Post by blackbeard on Mar 22, 2008 8:38:10 GMT
ECB will not recognise ACUS after April 2008. If you want to continue training it must only be the ECB ACO Level 1 courses, (unless you are ECB accredited then level 2) which I am told by CK that these will be ready after May 2008? ACUS materials is copyright and ACUS was given permission to use this. Now that ACUS is no more all materials reverts back to the holders?
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Post by nompere on Mar 22, 2008 16:33:49 GMT
I understand that some of the county boards are setting up their own ACOs and are asking the existing associations to disband. If this is true, then I cannot see any good reason for the existing associations and branches to buy their projectors.
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Post by blackbeard on Mar 22, 2008 17:14:00 GMT
Under ECB ACO all the counties are to set up thier own ACO, ECB ACO will only take your money, you will be controlled by your county, (who like Essex tried, will make a charge for you to join). ECB agree with this as your county might hold functions for thier umpires? The last I heard was that Worcester have disbanded all thier ACUS Association and will only train at Worcester CC. Essex has simlar ideas.
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Post by umpire50 on Mar 24, 2008 10:02:31 GMT
It remains to be seen what will happen if local Associations 'forget' to send the cheques for their laptops and PC projectors to the ACU&S treasurer.
I, for one, fail to see why a local association should be expected to pay for this kit. It is the new umpires who have benefitted from the equipment - not the cash-strapped local associations.
There was a thread on the ACU&S messageboard before it was taken down that suggested that, rather than take this money from local associations, an equivelant sum should be paid from the assets to those local associations who had not had the equipment. Much better than letting the assets all go back to the ECB central fund - never to be seen again!
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Post by blackbeard on Mar 24, 2008 11:24:23 GMT
Totally agree
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Post by jaybee on Mar 25, 2008 15:56:40 GMT
ECB will not recognise ACUS after April 2008. ... ACUS materials is copyright and ACUS was given permission to use this. Now that ACUS is no more all materials reverts back to the holders? My county ACUS (which is definitely still in existence) has said (this month) [My emphasis]This suggests that the 30 April '08 cut-off point may be something of a moveable feast - like the other earlier timetables for the transition/merger/takeover. Using Law 43 - which I know we shouldn't do where the national ACUS (ex-)leadership and ECB are concerned - the only way these things could work out would be if ECB continued to recognise GL6 & GL5 where there was no accredited 'new' training available. As I've read the ECBACO circulars they could still decide to accept GL5 results where the new courses could not be run and training continued on the old ACUS syllabus. On the question of copyright it would follow that - as the new 'owner' of the material - ECB would allow the county associations to use it while 'old' courses were still running. |
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Post by blackbeard on Mar 25, 2008 17:14:18 GMT
A small point on the copyright, ECB do not own this, ACUS do not own this. The copyright is held by 2 ex members of ACUS and cannot be used without their permission?
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Post by Acumen on Mar 25, 2008 19:57:45 GMT
There is a report on the ACU&S SGM on the ECB Officials' website.
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Post by jaybee on Mar 26, 2008 18:03:14 GMT
A small point on the copyright, ECB do not own this, ACUS do not own this. The copyright is held by 2 ex members of ACUS and cannot be used without their permission? Thanks for the info - didn't know that! There is a report on the ACU&S SGM on the ECB Officials' website. Although it says it is " full details of the ACU&S Special General Meeting" the news item only contains the notice and agenda, not minutes of what happened. These are in the 'Letter to Members' ( static.ecb.co.uk/files/acus-letter-to-members-march-2008-2344.doc) which isn't being sent out to members!!! |
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Post by The Govenor on Mar 26, 2008 23:18:42 GMT
A small point on the copyright, ECB do not own this, ACUS do not own this. The copyright is held by 2 ex members of ACUS and cannot be used without their permission? Blackbeard - Do you know the names of these two members? |
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Post by blackbeard on Mar 27, 2008 8:23:33 GMT
Yes, and so do many ex members of General Council. One is the ex chair of the exam board who owns all exam material and part of the latest training disc, and GC has copyright on the original training disc.
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