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Post by blackbeard on May 22, 2008 14:55:56 GMT
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Post by orangeumpire on May 22, 2008 15:07:00 GMT
Exactly, i have read it hence my comments. sorry i am not hear to start immature comments battle! From looking through the posts on this site, i see you do this on a regular occasion i apologies if i upset you but was just passing judegemnt. i seem to of have picked the wrong person on the site to do this with good day
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Post by johnfgolding on May 22, 2008 15:10:08 GMT
I suspect I am not the only satisfied member by a long way. But usually those satisfied tend not to speak out about it.
A few years ago I was chair of a working party to bring together two major engineering institutions and from conception to a few years into the new body operating; many of the views expressed on this forum were similar to those our working party and the new institution had.
It is easy to criticize, not so easy to implement. It cannot be easy for the individuals in the ECB to get this together and is not helped by criticising them.
We may not agree with what has happened or how it happened, but we are where we are now and have to deal with it and move forward. For those that really don’t like it there is another body out there they can join or indeed not belong to any.
It is easier to work together to move forward.
Lets use this forum for what it was intended, support, advice gaining friends etc.
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Post by orangeumpire on May 22, 2008 15:15:26 GMT
John I agree with you, it is nice to know someone else feels what i do. The new association has given me new respect for my white coat, adn i have seen players respect me more as an ECB official than when i was with ACUS. In my eyes these are exciting time, we fell to far behind the game, but always kept in touch. I hope i and everyone on this site can help officials gain more respect and improve the ahrd work that was done in the past.
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Post by blackbeard on May 22, 2008 15:19:32 GMT
This is an open forum for anyone, members of ACO or not, to air their views. Unless you only prefer pro ACO members only.
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Post by orangeumpire on May 22, 2008 15:30:32 GMT
I don't understand you Blackbeard. I hope you soon see the error of your ways and dont lose respect over your remarks. Do you have a real name, mine is Brian Godrey I officiate in Oxfordshire. I wish you the best for your season, and hope you can start helping this new era instead of hindering it
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Post by blackbeard on May 22, 2008 16:04:21 GMT
All the best to you also, I can hardly hinder the process? I am stating my personal opinion, if its wrong in your eyes so be it I know what my heart and mind tell me. Lets hope you are right. ACO has alredy lost over 3000 ACUS members lets see in a few years if this can be reversed. And by the way I was involved with starting ECBOA from the start.
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Post by missingleg on May 22, 2008 17:40:28 GMT
I'm dissatisfied with the ECBACO so far, but I think (hope!) that given time to settle as a new organisation, they will prosper.
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Post by no10 on May 22, 2008 18:27:06 GMT
i be more satisfied if i could get a new tie, did anybody recieve a badge? by the way i'm still advertising the post office on saturday afternoons anyone else?
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Post by blackbeard on May 22, 2008 19:21:25 GMT
Not yet. We were informed that this would come in the membership pack, when that will be heaven knows. I have been informed that there are 5 different designs of tie being looked at and one should be ready by 2009?
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Post by jaybee on May 23, 2008 9:51:15 GMT
... It is easy to criticize, not so easy to implement. ... We may not agree with what has happened or how it happened, but we are where we are now and have to deal with it and move forward.... @john Golding I agree with much of what you say but how can we deal with such incompetence? After your post yesterday I emailed again and have tried to phone many times - always engaged and can't use ringback. Since yesterday a further issue has arisen so I now have three points I need to resolve: (i) No membership card (ii) No response about my membership level (having got through GL5 this Spring) (iii) ECBACO has now taken a direct debit from my account instead of transferring my subscription from ACUS (and yes - I did put my membership number on the application and they did get the form before the deadline). This is both incorrect and not in accordance with the Direct Debit guidelines - I was not sent a notification that they were about to take my money (not that I'm broke but it is a matter of principle). So the question remains: HOW do we get anything done??? ... sorry i am not hear to start immature comments battle! .... orangeumpireI'm afraid that probably is what you have started. All parties have a right to their views and to express them reasonably forcefully. I hope that both you and Blackbeard will now let personalities fade into the background and let this board concentrate on the issues. I hope you and others will be able to see from what I have said above that there are people with real issues, frustrated by a bureaucracy which apparently can't be shifted at all and which doesn't seem to be answerable to any of the people it's supposed to serve.
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Post by blackbeard on May 23, 2008 10:05:41 GMT
I only stated the facts as I saw them, truth sometimes hurts?
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Post by Number 6 on May 26, 2008 8:43:21 GMT
I don't understand you Blackbeard. I hope you soon see the error of your ways and dont lose respect over your remarks. Do you have a real name, mine is Brian Godrey I officiate in Oxfordshire. I wish you the best for your season, and hope you can start helping this new era instead of hindering it orangeumpire, your remarks have been unhelpful and condescending . ACU&S were perfectly able to move umpiring forward, to train new and existing umpires under a long established and well respected examination structure and to retain the independance of umpires. I voted against the proposals to "merge" with ECBOA and I encouraged others to do the same. ECBACO so far have only managed to a) destroy the umpires training and qualification structure, b) make a complete pigs ear of the changeover and c) make it clear that they have no real interest in promoting grass-roots umpiring, certain ECB people have openly said that the first class list has "plenty of existing and up and coming young umpires to satisfy demand for the forseeable future". They are not interested in the slightest in improving OUR lot in life. A member of our local panel who is also a long-standing ACU&S trainer and examiner was fullsome in his exhortations that everyone vote FOR the merger - now though he is rueing the day it happened, he is one VERY disappointed ex-ACU&S trainer. ECBACO does NOT have the interests of the amateur umpire at heart, they have even said that they do not see formal training in the Laws of Cricket to be applicable to their "new" training regime. A tatty piece of plastic for a membership card that only arrived at all after much badgering took place does not change any of the above one iota. As to your comment about players treating umpires with more respect as ECBACO members than as ACU&S umpires all I can say is that 99.9999% of players couldn't give a monkeys; no player has ever asked me what organisation I belong to and I doubt that any player would be interested if I said ACU&S, ECBACO or the BNP. We shall see what the future holds, I am not optimistic but willing, and indeed wishing to be proven wrong.
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Post by blackbeard on May 26, 2008 9:29:44 GMT
Well said Number 6
You will note that the ACO now expects the counties (ex ACUS members) to make their own training and examination material for the certificate of competence. This is to cover themselves as they cannot get their own training material and tutors ready for 2008/9 training season. By the end of the year they will only have around 20 tutors? when ACUS had 400+. Which is showing their complete disregard for the grass root umpire.
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Post by Septic on May 27, 2008 18:23:01 GMT
May I suggest that all ex-ACUS instructors refuse to do and courses until they are granted Level 1 Instructor status? Most other organisations do have so-called Grandfather rights when a new system comes in. Without this, ECB will have no new umpires next year.
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