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Post by blackbeard on Apr 11, 2008 11:06:41 GMT
The selected members, I believe, are members of the ACO county board committee's Below is what appears in the April newsletter which will be sent out soon.
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Post by umpire50 on Apr 16, 2008 7:49:27 GMT
This seems likely to exclude all transferring ACUS members because subscription monies won't be transferred in time - see my post here. So much for being a democratic institution! To be fair to the ECB (and I speak as one who has steadfastly declined to join ECB ACO!) they never said that the new organisation would be democratic. It just remains to be seen how undemocratic it can get! I am already hearing rumblings that Chris Kelly is seeking to interfere with Premier League appointments and impose his personal preferences.
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Post by blackbeard on Apr 16, 2008 8:32:56 GMT
Couldn't agree more. Here in Essex he has taken over all U17 - 19 appointments which were always done by the county, and he is appointing 2nd IX umpires, which were also done by the county. No doubt we will have umpires from outside of Essex which is not going down well will our umpires. He has not as yet interferred with premier league but I have a feeling he will? ECBACO does not appear to be democratic at all, I don't know of any multi million pound company that is? Money is not everything, but it helps?
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Post by jaybee on Apr 16, 2008 9:04:56 GMT
... To be fair to the ECB (and I speak as one who has steadfastly declined to join ECB ACO!) they never said that the new organisation would be democratic. They did - in September 2007 - see the ECB March 2008 Newsletter (my emphasis!):
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Post by missingleg on Apr 16, 2008 12:10:13 GMT
What's this? Corruption in a Nationwide organisation? Surely not!
Seriously though, it's all rather disheartening.
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Post by Number 6 on Apr 24, 2008 13:49:33 GMT
I had a talk last night with a local league official who attended the ECBACO meeting at Edgebaston. His general feeling was one of extreme disappointment. He said that Chris Kelly was very dismissive of training in particular. ECB apparently already has sufficient "young and upcoming" umpires to feed the first class list for the forseeable future so they have no interest at all in bringing any more new umpires through from the grass roots (i.e. local leagues). ECB do NOT see any need for training as per the GL6, 5 and 4 curriculum! There is, apparently, no need to learn the Laws of Cricket in a classrom; self study at home and the odd discussion with "a mentor" is all that the ECB think is necessary here so there will be no written exams testing knowledge of the laws. Practical experience alone is what matters so the "stand in games, keep a workbook and discuss with your field mentor" is the way forward. Very sad IMHO to put it mildly. My local U&SA will be continuing the "GL" style training courses on a local and unofficial basis and will also be offering the exams albeit that they will have no formal standing. So, what is ECB up to eh? Are all those members that voted in favour of this "merger" happy now???
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Post by blackbeard on Apr 24, 2008 14:39:36 GMT
I said in a earlier post that people voted for the merger thinking that they all would become 1st class umpires? As I said at that time "turkeys voting for christmas". All too late now ECB did a wonderful job of fooling over 3000 ACUS members to get this approved.
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Post by missingleg on Apr 24, 2008 22:00:17 GMT
ECB do NOT see any need for training as per the GL6, 5 and 4 curriculum! There is, apparently, no need to learn the Laws of Cricket in a classrom; self study at home and the odd discussion with "a mentor" is all that the ECB think is necessary here so there will be no written exams testing knowledge of the laws. Practical experience alone is what matters so the "stand in games, keep a workbook and discuss with your field mentor" is the way forward. As much as practical experience is necessary, this is bo**ocks. The laws, while they try to be clear, are always open to interperation and without the ACU&S course which helped me understand them, I would have absolutely no confidence in enforcing the laws for the first time this Saturday. Blackbeard makes good points...
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Post by blackbeard on Apr 25, 2008 12:15:07 GMT
Number 6, can you claify your comment (ECB apparently already has sufficient "young and upcoming" umpires to feed the first class list for the forseeable future so they have no interest at all in bringing any more new umpires through from the grass roots (i.e. local leagues).
As my area rep who went to the meeting says this was not said by CK? In fact the opposite, they want counties to identify potential umpires?
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Post by Number 6 on Apr 25, 2008 13:21:17 GMT
Number 6, can you claify your comment (ECB apparently already has sufficient "young and upcoming" umpires to feed the first class list for the forseeable future so they have no interest at all in bringing any more new umpires through from the grass roots (i.e. local leagues). As my area rep who went to the meeting says this was not said by CK? In fact the opposite, they want counties to identify potential umpires? I'm only quoting verbatim our training officer, I wasn't at the meeting. I was told that ECB already have a sufficient stock of "young and able" (or words to that effect) umpires coming through to keep the first class list going for a number of years. That's what was reported to me as CK's words. I have no reason to doubt the reporters accuracy but neither was I there so I can't confirm. Pete
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Post by Number 6 on Apr 25, 2008 13:24:12 GMT
As much as practical experience is necessary, this is bo**ocks. The laws, while they try to be clear, are always open to interperation and without the ACU&S course which helped me understand them, I would have absolutely no confidence in enforcing the laws for the first time this Saturday. ... You're preaching to the converted here! I'm still learning nuances of the laws. Your comment is exactly why our local U&SA will be continuing the ACU&S courses even though they will have no formal standing.
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Post by Acumen on Apr 28, 2008 7:15:06 GMT
Please make sure that your local U&SA does have relevant public liability and indemnity insurance in place in case the instructor (or other organiser) does cause an accident to someone else.
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Post by umpire50 on Apr 28, 2008 7:37:46 GMT
Acumen makes a highly valid point about insurance. Anyone offering training to umpires would do well to bear this in mind.
As far as the 'young and upcoming' umpires that Chris Kelly allegedly spoke about, I can only assume that he meant the likes of Martin Saggers, the current Kent player. He took an ACU&S umpires course and passed the GL5 examination (allegedly untimed and with the aid of Tom Smith's!!). I do hear that he has been told that he will be on the 1st Class List as soon as he finishes playing. After he passed the examination he played in a Kent Premier League match where he apparently berated an experienced ACU&S umpire for enforcing the Laws correctly.
So the future of umpiring is safe in the hands of the ECB......
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Post by blackbeard on Apr 28, 2008 8:22:48 GMT
Under ECB's present training I would seriously doubt the quality of new umpires? To have played the game does not automatically make you a good umpire. Chris Kelly is already interferring in local leagues by fast tracking ex league players onto league umpire panels without umpiring experience. It would appear ECB - Chris Kelly wants complete control. I think he forgets this is a hobby for the majority of us. To be dictated to will only drive the amateur umpire away.
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Post by Number 6 on Apr 28, 2008 14:35:23 GMT
After he passed the examination he played in a Kent Premier League match where he apparently berated an experienced ACU&S umpire for enforcing the Laws correctly. The bails would have been in my coat pocket and I would have been heading for the dressing room sharpish if that was said to me!
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