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Post by missingleg on Aug 13, 2016 22:09:58 GMT
When a couple of fielders chase a ball to the boundary and one of them slides and pretends to throw the ball back in (the ball has actually gone past him and to the other fielder) and the batsmen are fooled into not taking another run because of the throeing action, what action do you take if the batsmen complain to you that it was a deliberate distraction? These 'ghost throws' are becoming a lot more common. Is it canny fielding or is it unfair?
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Post by sillypoint on Aug 14, 2016 2:52:03 GMT
Not unfair as far as I am concerned.
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Post by duncanfrancis on Aug 15, 2016 11:11:47 GMT
I would take no action ! Let me turn this round, would you give a batsman out on appeal if he feigned to go for another run in order to trick the fielder into throwing the ball at the stumps trying to gain an overthrow ?
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Post by gooders on Aug 15, 2016 21:27:38 GMT
Don't you think that both examples are contrary to the spirit of cricket duncan? It might well be mentioned to the captains that you will take a very dim view if players undertake such nefarious practices when you get together for the toss.
If you do tell the captains this, then you must ensure that if such instances occur, you do have to follow through with some action, or you would look rather weak.
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Post by sillypoint on Aug 16, 2016 2:42:02 GMT
With this sort of thing I believe there is an invisible line somewhere—you can't say exactly where the line is, but you certainly know when it is crossed. Therefore the wisest thing to do is to quietly monitor player behaviour and tactics, and if you sense someone is approaching that line and quiet word in the player's ear, and perhaps his captain's, usually is sufficient. In the example originally proposed, since the batters complained you would have to respond somehow; perhaps a word to the fielding captain—"that sort of thing could easily be seen as unfair", or something along those lines—will nip it in the bud. And of course you would need to reassure the batters that their protest has been heard and that you've spoken to the captain.
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Post by missingleg on Aug 16, 2016 7:14:41 GMT
Thanks for all the comments. It seems to be an acceptable practice now in many games I watch so I did nothing but I do feel for the batsmen being tricked.
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Post by zaump on Aug 17, 2016 7:29:29 GMT
I think sillypoint is spot on about judgement. In the scenario you described, with the ball going to the boundary, it's not unreasonable for the batsmen to be backing up and watching for the ball coming in, so the distraction is probably minimal and I'd leave it alone. But third slip fumbling the ball towards point and exaggeratedly faking a throw to distract the batsmen from a sharp single? That's pushing it, and I'd probably have a word with the fielding captain about it before it got out of hand.
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Post by Ian on Aug 17, 2016 12:09:28 GMT
Think I heard or read somewhere that MCC are considering outlawing the "ghost throw" in the new revision of the Laws
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Post by missingleg on Aug 17, 2016 22:44:41 GMT
What would be the penalty?
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Post by sillypoint on Aug 18, 2016 2:24:24 GMT
Refer to Law 42.5
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Post by missingleg on Aug 18, 2016 23:17:42 GMT
I mean this proposal, not the current law.
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Post by zaump on Aug 26, 2016 7:29:02 GMT
Maybe it will just be called out as a situation to be handled as a case of 42(5) - deliberate distraction or obstruction of batsman? In which case it's really already covered, and up to the umpires' judgement.
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Post by nazmulahsan on Sept 6, 2016 8:39:34 GMT
If any fielder makes a false attempt to run out any batsman,is it a distraction? Obviously the answer is not. Its a tactics and can be considered as part of game. Similarly action taken by the two fielders shall be considered as smart tactics and part of game.
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Post by gooders on Sept 6, 2016 12:37:44 GMT
If any fielder makes a false attempt to run out any batsman,is it a distraction? Obviously the answer is not. Its a tactics and can be considered as part of game. Similarly action taken by the two fielders shall be considered as smart tactics and part of game. Your response sounds very much to me like that of somebody who doesn't believe in the spirit of cricket. Since when has deception been regarded as a fair tactic in the game of cricket? Whilst it may not be regarded as distraction, in my opinion it is not acceptable to deceive a player into believing you have the ball in your possession ready to throw down his wicket, when it is just intended to deceive him into thinking so, or do you not believe in the spirit of the game in your part of the world? |
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Post by tippex2 on Sept 6, 2016 12:48:02 GMT
Since when has deception been regarded as a fair tactic in the game of cricket? Ever since the first googly was bowled, if not before... |
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