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Post by nazmulahsan on Jul 3, 2016 18:47:46 GMT
A ball fairly delivered by the bowler strikes the helmet worn by wicket-keeper and then touches his person and then breaks the strker's wicket who is out of his ground and not attempting a run. There is an appeal. What will be the umpire decision?
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Post by Dunc on Jul 6, 2016 13:53:42 GMT
Dead ball !
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Post by gooders on Jul 6, 2016 20:10:43 GMT
I think, Dunc, the point made here is that it did NOT rebound onto the wicket directly from the wicket keeper's helmet, but from his person.
I have to admit though, that I would consider giving up umpiring these fantasy games which seem to attract all these fanciful situations which do seem to show a very vivid imagination.
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Post by nazmulahsan on Jul 8, 2016 10:23:11 GMT
Gentleman, I am not joking. Last year I was officiating a crucial match in Dhaka Premier League. I had to face this situation. I was striker end's umpire when it happened. I declared batsman out. Batting side lost the match closely. And I got a big reward. I was suspended for six months.
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Post by nazmulahsan on Jul 10, 2016 4:30:12 GMT
gooders sometimes I create posts for not vivid imaginations. Questions I have posted so far many of them I faced practically as on field umpire. I think the questions and it's answer may help all the members here especially when they will appear before upgrading exams. Only the cowards think of giving up umpiring when they face complicated situations.
The answer of my question which I posted few days ago the striker is out. Since the ball hits wicket-keeper's helmet so the question of stumping does not arise here. After hitting wicket-keeper's helmet the ball touches his person and striker's wicket is put down who is out of his ground and not attempting a run. The striker is out Run out under Law 39.2.b. For details please read Law 39 of 'THE LAWS OF CRICKET' by TOM SMITH.
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Post by duncanfrancis on Jul 13, 2016 11:19:55 GMT
The striker can only be given out 'run out' if he is attempting a run. If he is not attempting a run he is not out as he cannot be stumped after the ball has made contact with the keepers helmet !
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Post by nazmulahsan on Jul 13, 2016 11:32:10 GMT
Correct you are duncunfrancis
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Post by sillypoint on Jul 13, 2016 12:01:41 GMT
Sorry, duncanfrancis and nazmulahsan, but you are wrong. Whether he is attempting to run or not is only relevant if the delivery is a No Ball. In the example given here this does not apply. See Law 39.2.b: "He will, however, be liable to be Run out in these circumstances if there is subsequent contact between the ball and any fielder." The ball sequence described here is: fair delivery … strikes wicketkeeper's helmet … touches wicketkeeper's person … breaks wicket. With the striker out of his ground when the wicket is broken, he is out Run Out. The fact that he was not attempting to run is irrelevant, since the delivery was valid.
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Post by duncanfrancis on Jul 13, 2016 14:04:42 GMT
Not according to our county training officer who is also a minor counties umpire !
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Post by nazmulahsan on Jul 13, 2016 17:07:36 GMT
Yes sillypoint, here the wicket-keeper shall be considered as a fielder. So the strker will be out Run out.
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Post by tippex2 on Jul 14, 2016 8:46:30 GMT
The striker can only be given out 'run out' if he is attempting a run. If he is not attempting a run he is not out as he cannot be stumped after the ball has made contact with the keepers helmet ! So you would argue that a batsman who comes down the pitch, plays the ball on a bounce to short-leg, who proceeds to flick it onto the wicket before the batsman can regain his ground should be given not out?? |
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Post by bjmajor on Jul 14, 2016 15:04:48 GMT
I agree with sillypoint here.
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Post by duncanfrancis on Jul 18, 2016 15:43:50 GMT
The striker can only be given out 'run out' if he is attempting a run. If he is not attempting a run he is not out as he cannot be stumped after the ball has made contact with the keepers helmet ! So you would argue that a batsman who comes down the pitch, plays the ball on a bounce to short-leg, who proceeds to flick it onto the wicket before the batsman can regain his ground should be given not out?? No, we are talking about the wicket keeper here, who is the only person who can action a stumping ! |
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Post by sillypoint on Jul 19, 2016 11:59:18 GMT
Duncan, the question posed in this thread has nothing to do with stumping, since the ball has touched the wicketkeeper's helmet. The question concerns whether, following "subsequent contact between the ball and any fielder", as there has been in this case, the batsman will be out Run Out. You seem to be persisting with your mistaken belief that he is somehow protected because he is not attempting to run. I reiterate, this protection ONLY applies in the case of a No Ball. Please read and understand the Laws themselves so that you (1) don't cling to errors, and (2) know when your "county training officer" is wrong.
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Post by missingleg on Jul 19, 2016 20:56:39 GMT
I worry for most umpires reading this thread they will be so confused! Although an incredibly rare incident, I'm looking forward to mischievously posing this one at our winter courses as I bet there are plenty who don't know the law.
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