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Post by Acumen on Mar 6, 2015 12:40:20 GMT
Just been to Hong Kong Cricket Club where I was excellently entertained.
Shame they play during the winter when it rains BUT I am ssured it is far to hot in the summer! At least the rain was warm.
Their association has some very smart light blue jackets and there are many clubs sharing a few grounds.
I was most interested to discover that their fifth ball signal is shared with the scorer - an idea which I will try this summer.
It seems to me that this is far more productive than placing a hand on the waist (for halfway) after three balls, two fingers on the sleeve after four! Allows umpires to concentrate on more important issues (players may moan if you miscount - if they even notice - but are far more concerned about 3 behind on leg side, foot faults, wides, lbws, snicks etc!)
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Post by tippex2 on Mar 6, 2015 16:42:34 GMT
5th ball signal to scorers is interesting idea - suspect there may be pitfalls with inexperienced scorers, or even more experienced ones while they're getting used to it.
Harder to do the signal discreetly if the scorebox is behind you? Harder to resolve quickly if there's a disagreement? If the scorers think "No, there are 2 balls left", do they not acknowledge the 5th ball signal (therefore leaving it unclear if they disagree, or if they haven't seen or have forgotten the signal), or do you need a separate signal from the scorers for "no, we disagree"?
By no means ruling out the idea as unworthy of being tried, and I'd be very interested to hear how you get on, but it would be worth having answers to questions ready before there's a problem, rather than trying to improvise on the fly.
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Post by IanHK on Mar 9, 2015 9:30:36 GMT
in response to questions about the 5th ball signal between umpires & scorers, I can make the following points
Response from Hong Kong
1. importantly, it helps build a greater sense of team between the officials. Although that is a bit personality based and I guess some scorers/umpires prefer to keep to themselves.
2. We have adopted it from regional tournaments etc where it is increasingly used, and was used in the Hong Kong Sixes - where the six count was paramount.
3. yes, it is best with proficient scorers/umpires; but where umpires/scorers are not so proficient it helps to flag things to check
4. it reduces the head down syndrome of scorers, especially in final overs of games
5. bowler's end umpire count still takes precedence. So really is just an additional discrete check
6. if both umpires agree on count and scorers are at odds then the umpires will go with own call. But keep note of over and check at break. Maybe a ball was missed by scorers [sometimes still getting previous over in order] or a No Ball/Wide signal was missed. Of course, it may indicate to bowler's end umpire that a No Ball or Wide call was missed by partner and scorer; or god forbid the bowlers end umpire has miss counted. So scorers can do the same and keep track where they have a difference.
7. A key benefit is where umpires are at odds, it gives a discrete prearranged signal as to the scorers count without the drama of having to attract the scorers (head down) attention.
8. where both umpires are doing this actively, then where the scorers are behind one bowlers end umpire the square leg umpire can manage the signal with the scorers. However, as the scorer will be giving a hand signal with his non-writing hand or using a table tennis paddle or light - the signal from the bowlers end umpire can be very discrete with a minimal turn of the head - a nod or a flick of a finger/palm.
Hope that helps interested in different views or experiences
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