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Post by boots on Dec 18, 2007 0:18:45 GMT
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Post by wisden17 on Dec 18, 2007 1:32:50 GMT
Well that's surprised me.
I mean I personally voted for the new ACO (although I would have voted for the ECBOA, although what the difference between the two will be!?).
Just surprised that so many other ACU&S members shared the same view.
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Post by fatpunter on Dec 21, 2007 11:00:16 GMT
Goodness me, wonders never cease. i just hope that people can now move on and look to the future.
Perhaps the days of the old "stuffed blazer brigade" of very self important ACU officials are really over, or will they simply try to take office in the new regime? Time will tell.
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Post by wisden17 on Dec 21, 2007 16:57:32 GMT
Indeed, I'll be interested to see what the situation is in 12 months time!
I findi t odd that the addministration office has just shut down after the ballot result and it just seems to be a sudden rush to shut up shop. Surely it should be done in a bit more mesaured fashion? I mean what is the situation with subscriptions? If you haven't already paid this year's should you bother paying? If you have what will happen to your money? What is happening about exams, and courses etc.
Where there are so many unanswered questions would it not be helpful to have an administration office, to help administer the closing down of the association?
I wonder how many members of GC thought that this is the result that would be achieved? And why oh why did they not have the ballot before the subs were due, or delay the subs for this year until after the ballot result?
The future certainly looks interesting, but to most umpires I'm sure it'll not make the slightest bit of difference.
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Post by lofters on Dec 21, 2007 18:33:39 GMT
There are threads in other areas which start to discuss the fracas over training courses and exams. Currently its a mess, hopefully to be sorted out between the ECB and departing ACUS officers soonest. The ACUS Constitution states.... Any assets remaining after the satisfaction of any proper debts and liabilities shall be given or transferred to such other associations or organisations having similar Aims and Objectives, as the members of the Association may determine...... seems to indicate that surplus funds [from subs etc] will be transferred to the ECB. For those of us that have paid their ACUS sub then I'd expect a proportion to be cross credited to their membership account taken with the new body. Hard to see how refunds could be managed for umps who are paid up ACUS that choose not to join ECB. Personally I can see no point at all in sending new subs money into the ACUS.
The ACUS hierarchy should, at this point, be committed to assisting with the amalgamation of all admin, records, training, exams etc into the ECB..... they cannot be seen to be in any way obstructive to the due process voted by the Membership!?
So far as the ECBOA [or whatever] are concerned, I doubt they have even started to 'smell the roses' as to what will be required to guide umpiring forward. Their own admin since inception has not been crash hot. It will need to be a well thought out path they take us down, if the crisis in umpire numbers is to be successfully addressed.
I agree that the next 12 months will be very interesting. Those of us who wish advancement will need to polish up their ability to jump through hoops........ the main body will hope for a painless transition into Lords' care.
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Post by umpire50 on Jan 2, 2008 2:26:30 GMT
As someone who voted against this proposal, I am very disappointed at the parochial way in which ACU&S members appear to have voted. The independent ACU&S was the only international organisation for umpires and scorers, and its qualifications were accepted around the world. I doubt very much whether ECB ACO will be accepted in the same way. One of its six proposed region is the European Cricket Council (ECC) who will have little or no interest in the rest of the world. Indeed there is growing dissatisfaction within Europe that ECC does not progress umpires beyond the old ACU&S GL6 examination.
A question raised earlier related to subscriptions already paid by members. What about overseas members who do not wish to join the new organisation and seek a rebate? I cannot see the new organisation issuing rebates in Indian or Sri Lankan rupees or even Australian or NZ dollars!
All existing members of ACU&S will presumably be required to complete new Direct Debit mandates. How many will actually bother is an open question.
It may well be that the ECB will find in the next 12 months or so that they will not gain sufficient members for ECB ACO to make it a financially viable organisation.
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Post by TrueDub on Jan 3, 2008 10:33:13 GMT
As someone who voted against this proposal, I am very disappointed at the parochial way in which ACU&S members appear to have voted. The independent ACU&S was the only international organisation for umpires and scorers, and its qualifications were accepted around the world. I doubt very much whether ECB ACO will be accepted in the same way. What's your reasoning for saying this? One of its six proposed region is the European Cricket Council (ECC) who will have little or no interest in the rest of the world. Indeed there is growing dissatisfaction within Europe that ECC does not progress umpires beyond the old ACU&S GL6 examination. Not quite - they don't require umpires they appoint to have more than GL6, possibly because ACU&S exams are hard to come by in some of the remoter outposts of Europe. They do encourage any umpire to progress to their best achievable level. I'm an overseas umpire who voted Yes to the proposal. When becoming an umpire, there were certain things I wanted of the umbrella organisation I was joining: a) A recognised training path. Assuming that the new COA mirrors the ACU&S one, this is provided. b) A method of progressing to higher levels of cricket. This is provided by my local association here in Ireland, and there is a path onwards to representative & international cricket via the ECC and ICC Elite Associate panel. Nothing has changed here except a potential to increase umpiring opportunities in the UK. c) Insurance. Again, this will be provided by the new COA. I don't need or expect anything more from the umbrella organisation, so the title & ultimate affiliation are not so important. It's of much more importance to me that my local association is well-run, as it's here that my experience grows, along with my training record. Thankfully, it is well-run! All existing members of ACU&S will presumably be required to complete new Direct Debit mandates. How many will actually bother is an open question. It may well be that the ECB will find in the next 12 months or so that they will not gain sufficient members for ECB ACO to make it a financially viable organisation. It may well be - but it may not. Personally, I feel there's more opportunity in the ECB COA than in ACU&S.
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