lalit
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Post by lalit on Nov 2, 2014 10:24:01 GMT
Why not to credit the bowler for such a brilliant leg spin delivery!!!!
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Post by gooders on Nov 3, 2014 0:22:17 GMT
Just a quick point. When does the law say the umpire should signal a wide? Is it not when the ball passes the line of the stumps. Surely on a technicality, when the ball strikes the wicket, and the batsman is bowled the ball at that point becomes automatically dead and anything that happens after that point is irrelevant.
Steps back now for somebody to point out to me that I am completely wrong.
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Post by tippex2 on Nov 3, 2014 9:49:24 GMT
I suppose a bowler 25 feet tall might be able to do it at pace, but there aren't too many of them about round our area. Doesn't have to be 25 ft tall at all... Releasing the ball from a height of 8 feet, and assuming it travels in a straight line to the top of the stumps (ie ignoring the angle of delivery and the increasing dip of the ball due to gravity) means that it would pass the popping crease at a height of roughly 32". Given that the ball has to be above (not at) waist height to be deemed a no-ball, this means that it's likely to pass at or below waist height for any batsman up to 5 feet in height (using a rough 5/9 estimate of waist height). Once you allow for the fact that the ball will be curving downwards due to gravity (the fastest ball, taking roughly half a second to travel to the batsman will have a downwards velocity of at least 16 feet/second when it passes), it's clear that it's quite possible for the ball to be above the waist of at least a shorter batsman, while still going on to hit the stumps. |
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Post by Rob on Dec 1, 2014 14:37:15 GMT
It makes me laugh that there are contributors on both sides of the arguement that say the answer is simply! Clearly it isn't!!!
It's important to remember that a Wide shouldn't be called until the ball has passed the STUMPS (not the batsman)! In this instance the ball actually hits the stumps, hence it cannot be a Wide (no matter if the playing regs say anything down the leg side is a Wide).
It has to be out in my opinion.
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Post by sillypoint on Dec 3, 2014 7:13:48 GMT
Rob, the only person to use the word "simply" so far is yourself—in both your posts.
As regards the particulars of the Wide Law (my emphasis throughout): 25.1 refers to JUDGING a Wide and includes the key phrase "… passes wide OF THE STRIKER …"; 25.3 refers to CALLING a Wide "… as soon as the ball passes THE STRIKER'S WICKET." So the dilemma is not so much in whether the delivery fits the definition of a Wide Ball, but in when you can call the Wide—since it doesn't actually pass the wicket. Here are two thoughts on the matter:
1. You could simply call Wide when the ball hits the wicket on the basis that it probably has passed the wicket, albeit striking it on the way through.
2. If you feel you cannot call Wide but still consider the batsman should not be dismissed you could simply call Dead Ball (ref 42.2) and have the delivery rebowled—on the basis that you consider something untoward has happened which nobody should suffer for, least of all the striker.
If neither of these courses suits your view of things at the time, then your only course is to uphold the dismissal on appeal.
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