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Post by wisden17 on Jun 15, 2008 11:41:57 GMT
Bowlers End is only one in Law who can call this a No Ball, usually square leg umpire may help with making that decision, but ultimately it is for the bowlers end umpire to decide.
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Post by layman umpire on Jun 15, 2008 13:05:43 GMT
Thanks for that, it stopped the game for 10 mins as both sides were arguing their case , and i should say both sides were unsure on most things do with cricket laws anyway. It started with a hip high delivery from a medium bowler, batsmans topped edged it to long leg as it was in the air, square leg umpire called no ball, fielder catches it, bolwers end umpire then calls 'no ball'. During quite mild discussions the bowlers end umpire said he would not have called the no ball! but because the square leg umpire called it he thought he had better do , but as i said it was after the fielder had taken the catch. In the end the batsman was given out but the opposition were very unhappy with it.
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Post by swerveman on Jun 15, 2008 21:14:14 GMT
It's important that the umpires back each other up, and that discussions don't include the players. Bowler's end umpire should not have said he would not have called the no ball.
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Post by johnfgolding on Jun 16, 2008 12:02:45 GMT
And don't forget the bowler should be issued with a caution as per law 42.6 if it was called a no ball.
Of course this assumes it was an accidental "beamer".
You are one of a team and should act together including agreement on signalling or communicating with each other.
In my opinion it is best if the umpire at the strikers end does not signal no ball in this instance, but gives you an idication, if required, that the ball was over waist or shoulder as appropiate.
If he signals and you decide that it is not a no ball then problems could follow.
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Post by igmc on Jun 16, 2008 12:55:16 GMT
Law 42.7 says it is the bowler's end umpire who makes the call and administers the warnings.
This has always struck me as a bit odd, as the striker's end umpire probably has a better view. However the law does not preclude the other umpire from providing input to the decision and this is, in my experience, what tends to happen in practice.
If it is a close call, I will look to the striker's end umpire for his view. Similarly, if I am at the striker's end, I will offer my view if asked.
I did have one a few years ago, where an inexperienced umpire did not call a chest-high beamer which a batsman nicked to the keeper (standing well back!).
So we had the bowler apologising, the batsman bemused, the fielders embarrassed (they had appealed instinctively), and the umpire with his finger up. I went to speak to him and he was clearly confused and not about to change his mind.
One time where I don't think I was wrong to override a colleague by calling Dead Ball and signalling No Ball to the scorers.
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