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Post by missingleg on May 17, 2008 21:09:54 GMT
Oh yes, forgot to mention - the hearing from my first game takes place at the end of this month. It will be an...interesting experience...
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Post by swerveman on May 17, 2008 21:31:32 GMT
I never had a problem with guard positions, but I remember looking a total chump the first time the bowler told me he was going "round and through". I didn't have a clue what he meant.
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Post by wisden17 on May 17, 2008 23:48:12 GMT
Hi Missingleg,
Remember at a hearing you are not on trial. You are just there to give your evidence.
I would presume you have submitted a written report, hence the hearing! Stick to that report, and that is basically that.
Just remain calm and like I said you aren't on trial.
I've been to a couple of them, nothing to be worried about, like I said stick to your report and remain calm and polite, that's about all there is to it.
Glad you are enjoying your umpiring more, it is a virtuous circle: as you enjoy it more you will become a better umpire; as you become a better umpire you will enjoy it more.
Let's just hope the weather brightens up!
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Post by jaybee on May 18, 2008 14:13:58 GMT
...On a lighter note, a batsman took his guard today, he asked for 'two please'. I kept on saying 'away from you, more, more....' I was at the receiving end once - in my early playing days. The umpire was our first XI captain on a day off, my partner was a left-hander and it transpired that he gave me 2 legs for a leftie - it was very disconcerting and I was all at sea until we sorted it out. Make sure you remember which is which!
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Post by Number 6 on May 18, 2008 16:09:49 GMT
I never had a problem with guard positions, but I remember looking a total chump the first time the bowler told me he was going " round and through". I didn't have a clue what he meant. I don't have a clue what this means, I've never heard it before. Explanation please?
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Post by Number 6 on May 18, 2008 16:22:38 GMT
Hi Missingleg. I'm really pleased it's going well for you. I would say one thing though, be careful not to get too "chatty". It can get to the point that you are well known for liking to chat with the players and they then talk to you so much that your concentration suffers. I always try to stay slightly aloof. Also when you get the inevitable "needle match" (as I had yesterday) then the captains especially will do their best to abuse your better nature.
Yesterday I was standing in a Div 1 game between two teams that are a) "well known", b) have pushy skippers and c) have "history" between them. It turned out to be an enjoyable game for me but we did have to contend with constant appealing and also objections every time we pulled someone up for unsafe bowling or bowlers running onto the protected area. A total of four formal warnings were given out during the match, three for encroaching on the protected area and one for persistently bowling bouncers at tailenders in poor light. Every time the ball hit a batsmans pad there was a loud and "in your face" appeal; I was strongly considering warning them for unfair play because of it but I didn't in the end. The point I'm rambling towards here is that both captains tried (on and off the field) to engage me in conversation as a ploy to "get me on their side", it even reached the point late in the second innings when the skipper of the batting side (non striker) exchanged a couple of pleasantries with me and the other skipper, who was waiting to bowl, then complained that he was waiting for us to shut up so he could get on with the game! I prefer to remain a little distant but each to their own and it's whatever you're comfortable with.
As to the hearing, don't worry about it. You are only there to give your views as to what happened. Chances are you'll end up in the bar with the subject of the hearing having a chuckle about it afterwards.
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Post by blackbeard on May 18, 2008 18:41:09 GMT
Round and through.
It means he his bowling around the wicket? and through means he is running between you and the wicket?
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Post by wisden17 on May 18, 2008 18:58:05 GMT
Round and through: what Blackbeard said. Fairly common term.
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Post by Number 6 on May 18, 2008 19:16:20 GMT
Round and through: what Blackbeard said. Fairly common term. Thanks. In all my time umpiring no-one has ever used that expression to me!
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Post by missingleg on May 18, 2008 21:58:14 GMT
Hmm...
Well I find chatting to square leg is enjoyable but perhaps is less advisable when at the bowler's end. I don't like to be distant as I think it makes me come across as too officious but I will try never to be 'won over' by talking too much.
On a different subject, an interesting thing happened today:
I had my first game where I was (for one reason or another) the only umpire - I did both ends. A batsman from the batting team took on striker's end duties, as I am told is usual.
The ball was hit, and the batsmen turned for the 2nd run; there was a direct hit at my partner's end, which I witnessed from my end as clearly run out by some distance. My partner was at the time obviously completely uninterested with the game as he was watching a passing aeroplane! He gave 'not out' on the basis that he didn't see it (of course!). This inevitably led to, shall we say, rised emotions.
The point is, I was emplored to overrule his decision as the senior umpire and only official umpire as 1) he did not see it and 2) it was just out.
I said I couldn't overrule it and gave my reasons (though I didn't say I knew it was out). After all, we're still a team aren't we?
Can run outs at the other end be at all my responsibility too? Do I have any right to intervene? Did I take the right course of action?
I know catches that another umpire my have a better view of means there should be consultation between umpires, but surely this doesn't extent to run outs?
It wasn't too close a game though so some of us had a laugh at the end.
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Post by swerveman on May 18, 2008 23:11:46 GMT
Thanks. In all my time umpiring no-one has ever used that expression to me! Interesting. I hear it fairly regularly. Maybe it's fairly local; I'm in Sussex.
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Post by swerveman on May 18, 2008 23:17:09 GMT
Can run outs at the other end be at all my responsibility too? Do I have any right to intervene? Did I take the right course of action? There is absolutely no way you can adjudicate on a run out at the other end. That's it; period. You have every right to have a strong word to the batting captain about the people he sends out to stand at the striker's end.
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Post by Number 6 on May 20, 2008 9:06:16 GMT
Can run outs at the other end be at all my responsibility too? Do I have any right to intervene? Did I take the right course of action? There is absolutely no way you can adjudicate on a run out at the other end. That's it; period. You have every right to have a strong word to the batting captain about the people he sends out to stand at the striker's end. Agreed, bowlers end has no rights over run-outs at strikers end. I would have a strong word with the other umpire and the batting captain about it though.
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Post by Number 6 on May 20, 2008 9:09:56 GMT
Hmm... Well I find chatting to square leg is enjoyable but perhaps is less advisable when at the bowler's end. I don't like to be distant as I think it makes me come across as too officious but I will try never to be 'won over' by talking too much. Just to clarify, I didn't mean distant in the sense of "go away, I'm not interested" more that I will respond to a comment or question but I try to stop the conversation as soon as possible. In the example I quoted it was the non-striker who was trying his best to converse with me, I wasn't willingly engaging in conversation. I really dislike it when non-striker insists on making polite conversation; I like to observe other things when the ball isn't in play, not hold an inane conversation. Just leave me alone!
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Post by gooders on May 20, 2008 9:21:29 GMT
The ball was hit, and the batsmen turned for the 2nd run; there was a direct hit at my partner's end, which I witnessed from my end as clearly run out by some distance. My partner was at the time obviously completely uninterested with the game as he was watching a passing aeroplane! He gave 'not out' on the basis that he didn't see it (of course!). This inevitably led to, shall we say, rised emotions. I recall a similar thing happening in my first season too, and whilst a word with the captain may be advisable, on that instance, it was the captain stood at the striker's end. I did say that if I was ever on my own there again, I did not want him out at square leg. It was unfortunate that it was my old club too
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