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Post by umpire50 on Apr 29, 2008 7:28:51 GMT
Nearly 4 months have passed since ECB ACO took over from the independent ACU&S.
Members paid their subscriptions to ACU&S almost six months ago, and yet those of us who opted not to join ECB ACO or those who were also members of ECB OA have yet to see the promised subscription refunds.
An additional problem for members ouitside the UK (who will have already had to bear the costs of obtaining a banker's draft in Sterling) is that subscriptions will only be repaid in either Sterling or Euros - thereby incurring further bank charges changing the Sterling back.
The way former ACU&S members are being treated is appalling.
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Post by missingleg on Apr 29, 2008 11:58:04 GMT
Agreed.
Hopefully explainations will be forthcoming soon...
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Post by Acumen on Apr 30, 2008 16:19:10 GMT
I am certain that the majority of members of General Council thought that ACU&S would complete the year 2007/8 when they voted to collect subscriptions in October 2007 and that there would be a gradual transition to ECBACO when the latter was properly running.
As regards insurance, I have been told that ECBACO is paying a higher premium and that the cover is not as inclusive as the old ACUS policy but we have not seen any evidence yet.
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Post by blackbeard on Apr 30, 2008 16:26:44 GMT
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Post by blackbeard on May 1, 2008 8:49:21 GMT
How does this compare with the original ACUS policy? ACUS 1.Death £20,000 2.Permanent Total Disablement from usual occupation £20,000 3.Loss of income for a period not exceeding 52 weeks from the date 75 % of net earnings,of the event. Benefit commences on the 8th day of disablement. max £100 per wk 4.Injury Assistance for non-income earners £30 per day or 75% of non-medical-related expenses maximum of £1500 any one accident. 5.Medical expenses: 50% of expenses actually incurred up to a limit per accident of £500. 6.Physiotherapy: 80% of expenses actually incurred to a maximum of £500 per accident. 7.Dental expenses: 80% of expenses actually incurred to a maximum of £500 per accident. NB: In respect of Medical, Dental and Physiotherapy, a claim out of any one event shall be £500 subject to a £50 excess. 8.Funeral Expenses: 100%, maximum claim £500. 9.Injury incurred whilst travelling to or from matches or whilst on official ACU&S business 20% of death or disability benefit. ECB Cover: Accidental bodily injury by violent, external and visible means whilst engaging in cricket umpiring or scoring activities, including commuting thereto and/or therefrom. Benefits per person: Age band 16-80 years (i) Fatal accident)) (ii) Loss of sight of eye(s)) (iii) Loss/loss of use of limb(s)) £20,000 (iv) Permanent total disablement)) (v) Permanent:Loss of speech or total deafness £10,000 Loss of hearing in one ear £ 5,000 Loss of use of elbow/hip/knee/ankle/wrist £ 2,000 Loss of finger £ 3,000 Loss of big toe £ 1,000 Loss of other toe £ 200 (vi) Cost of dental and optical treatment,cost of repairs/replacement of spectaclesor dentures (excluding contact lenses) £ 300 (vii) Temporary total disablement from usual £100 p.w. Occupation (up to 104 weeks) excluding first 2 weeks, this benefit is reduced to £10 per week for members aged 66 to 80 years unless they are gainfully employed. (viii) Loss or damage to property given to a member for £750 Safe keeping during the course of a match £100 Money Excess £50 What do we think?
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Post by missingleg on May 1, 2008 21:41:36 GMT
I have been told today by the ECB that all membership cards SHOULD arrive within the next fortnight. However, I seem to remember saying the exact same thing on here a while ago...
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Post by jaybee on May 2, 2008 5:55:04 GMT
They told me that too - more than a month ago!
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Post by Number 6 on May 3, 2008 19:15:43 GMT
Two weeks ago I was told by email that my membership card would difinitely be with me by the end of April
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Post by wisden17 on May 3, 2008 20:01:49 GMT
Ah yes, but did they say April 2008!
Can someone explain to me why these membership cards are so vital, I'm lost as to what the point of them actually is?
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Post by jaybee on May 4, 2008 7:54:19 GMT
They show that you're actually on their records and insured. Never having seen one - and I'm clearly not alone in that - it might also show whether you're qualified and if so at what level.
I seem to recall seeing somewhere that some leagues are asking to see them as proof that you have insurance and qualifications
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Post by Number 6 on May 4, 2008 8:57:09 GMT
I seem to recall seeing somewhere that some leagues are asking to see them as proof that you have insurance and qualifications Absolutely correct. I'm supposed to be umpiring a national knock-out game today and it's between two clubs that don't know me from Adam. They are insisting on seeing my CRB certificate and proof of insurance cover before they'll let me stand. CRB I have no problem with and I always carry a copy anyway but I had to explain at great length to two people why I can't provide proof of insurance. Well I can because I have a letter from ECB saying that I'm covered "assuming my ACU&S sub was valid"; this phrase makes the letter inadmissable to the league authorities because it's not absolute proof. I've managed to blag my way around it on this occasion because I was able to forward an email that I had from ECB which gives my ECBACO membership number. Without that I would not have been able to stand today! Total crap!
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Post by blackbeard on May 4, 2008 9:10:41 GMT
The original plan with membership cards was to show 1) you are a member, 2) show your qualification and 3) show you CRB number, but as ECB have put this out to a third party to produce they are not allowed to give your CRB number to a third party? in 2006 I was told membership card would be ready mid 2006? ?
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Post by wisden17 on May 5, 2008 0:09:48 GMT
Yes, I understand the idea behind the membership cards, but am still at a bit of a loss as to why the urgency to have them.
The ACU&S didn't have membership cards, and I know I've never been asked by a club to prove my CRB status or whether I have insurance.
Number 6 if you are umpiring a national knock-out competition, which based on the date I take it is the thingyspur Cup, the clubs should have no need to see CRB as they have not appointed you to the game.
I do think it is bad though for the ECB to have kept changing the date of when they would be issued, hardly inspires confidence. Quite what the delays are?!
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Post by gooders on May 5, 2008 20:31:30 GMT
Number 6, the only question I would ask, bearing in mind Darrell Hair and that infamous Oval Test Match, if you are, with your colleague, appointed by ECB to take charge of a match in either the Cockspur Cup, or the National Village Competition, then who needs to see your insurance details? If they refuse to play if you're umpiring, then the offending side could be reminded that you have the authority, along with your colleague, to award the match to the opposition, for a refusal to play in accordance with the rules of the Competition, and the laws of the game, but don't rely on backing from the ICC
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Post by jaybee on May 6, 2008 5:57:11 GMT
The ACU&S didn't have membership cards.... Sorry to be pernickety but ACUS did issue membership cards, though not every year so - unless you paid via your local ACUS - it didn't show when your sub had been renewed.
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